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Pope "resigns" 1 Year, 9 Months ago Karma: 266
I debated whether or not to do a post on a topic which will be a very sensitive subject for some, and a "lightning rod" for others (lol). I decided to do so, but to try to keep the focus here on GENERAL symbolism -- rather than this being seen as "kicking a religion when it's down."

One's religious faith is a personal matter; and I'm not aware of any of us 'mere mortals' who are wise enough to say which faith (if any) is "best" -- or worst. However, the Pope is much more than a mere religious icon. He also wields considerable political power/influence, and even more generally is one of the most-public SYMBOLS of our Western Imperialist paradigm (ever since we got rid of most of our Kings and Queens).

Now, for the first time in more than six centuries we have a Pope "resigning" from his job-for-life. This is absolutely identical to some ruling monarch stepping down from the Throne. And so in symbolic terms we cannot overlook such an episode.

When a King (or Queen) "abdicates" the Throne; invariably it revolves around either some existing or potential DISGRACE. In this case, the "disgrace" which has apparently prompted this abdication by the King of Catholics is the worst "disgrace" of all for a religious icon (and wielder of power): the disgrace of APATHY.

While the Catholic following amongst non-White Catholic nations is growing; we know our racist/elitist Oligarchs hold all of those populations in absolute contempt -- they don't count. Amongst their own peer-societies; the Catholic Church has been slowly but steadily withering away -- and with it its power/influence in the Western world.

In Brazil, if the Pope speaks 100 million people listen attentively. In Canada, if the Pope speaks the response of the VAST majority (including some Catholics) is "who cares?" So when I see a Pope resigning for the first time in more than 600 years; I don't see this (primarily) as a religion in decay. The "strength" or "weakness" of any religion has nothing to do with the current popularity of any figurehead.

However, I do see this as a very powerful symbol of the accelerating decay of the entire, Western Imperialist paradigm. And in that respect, this event is "news" indeed...




Pope resignation leaves Catholic world in shock


www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/12/us-po...dUSBRE91A14M20130212

(Reuters) - Pope Benedict left the Catholic world in shock after becoming the first pontiff since the Middle Ages to resign his office, saying that failing strength had left him unable to lead the church through a period of relentless change and turmoil.

The 85-year-old pontiff announced his abdication as leader of the world's 1.2 billion Catholics in a speech delivered in Latin, the universal language of the church, to cardinals meeting in the Vatican's Apostolic Palace.

"I have come to the certainty that my strengths, due to an advanced age, are no longer suited to the adequate exercise of the Petrine ministry," he said, referring to the tradition that dates the papacy back to Saint Peter, 2,000 years ago...
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Vatican's new bank chief has military ship links
Vatican bank in new controversy as incoming chief tapped from shipbuilder making warships


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VATICAN CITY (AP) -- The Vatican was drawn into a new controversy Friday after acknowledging that its bank's new president is also chairman of a shipbuilder making warships — a significant conflict for an institution that has long shunned ties to military manufacturing.

The Vatican announced to great fanfare that Pope Benedict XVI had signed off on one of the last major appointments of his papacy, approving Ernst von Freyberg as president of the Vatican's bank, officially known as the Institute for Religious Works.

The Vatican spokesman was caught off-guard, though, when a journalist noted that the German shipbuilder von Freyberg chairs, Blohm + Voss, is known for its military ship construction.

The Rev. Federico Lombardi demurred and defended the selection. He later issued a statement saying von Freyberg chairs a civilian branch of Blohm + Voss, which repairs and transforms cruise ships and builds yachts — but that the company is currently part of a consortium that is building four frigates for the German navy.

The Vatican and its bank have deep-rooted traditions of steering clear of investments in companies that manufacture weapons or contraceptives, in line with Catholic Church teaching.

Michael Brasse, spokesman for Blohm + Voss in Hamburg, said that von Freyberg is chairman of the executive board of Blohm + Voss Shipyards, a unit that concentrates on building civilian ships.

But before Blohm + Voss Shipyards and other non-military units of Blohm + Voss were sold in 2011 to Star Capital Partners, its military shipbuilding unit, Blohm + Voss Naval, had contracted with the German Defense Ministry for four new frigates. Blohm + Voss Naval subcontracted the actual construction of those vessels to Blohm + Voss Shipyards.

Though Blohm + Voss Naval is now known as ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems GmbH, and is entirely separate from the other Blohm + Voss units, the Shipyards unit is still constructing the frigates under the legacy contract.

After they are built, however, the company plans to concentrate entirely on non-military ships. Von Freyberg will remain its chairman while working for the Vatican.

"The focus of the business is for yachts, and on the repair side for cruise ships or the offshore oil and gas industry," Brasse said.

Lombardi pointed out that Blohm + Voss is not engineering or designing military equipment, just involved in steel welding and docking. Germany's navy has contributed frigates and other ships to the EU's anti-piracy patrols off the Horn of Africa.

The revelation dominated what was supposed to have been the Vatican's triumphant appointment of a new president for the bank after its last president, Italian banker Ettore Gotti Tedeschi, was fired nine months ago for incompetence.

Gotti Tedeschi's stunning ouster came just as the Vatican was submitting its finances to a review by the Council of Europe's Moneyval committee in a bid to join the list of financially transparent countries.

The Vatican last summer passed the test of the Moneyval committee, which seeks to prevent money laundering and terrorist financing. But the IOR and the Vatican's financial watchdog agency received failing grades.

The new president will be tasked with bringing the IOR into compliance by Moneyval's next review.

The Vatican stressed von Freyberg's Catholic credentials, noting that he was a member of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta, an ancient chivalrous military order drawn from European nobility. He himself is a member of one of Germany's aristocratic families.

The Vatican said he had been appointed by the bank's commission of cardinals and that the pope had "expressed his full consent."

The appointment may well be one of the last major decisions of Benedict's papacy given his planned retirement Feb. 28. On Friday, he held one of his last audiences, meeting with Romania's president.

While the appointment was seemingly curiously timed, Lombardi went to great lengths to stress that the selection process took its own path and was to some degree irrelevant to the change in governance of the church.

Lombardi said von Freyberg was selected after a "meticulous and articulate" seven-month search process from an initial list of about 40 candidates put forward by an international executive head-hunting firm. He had the full support of the bank's lay board, the five members of its cardinal's commission, and finally the pope, Lombardi said.

But he was completely thrown by the suggestion that the bank's new president may have links to Germany's military.

"I would say that if he is a competent person who works in the field of ship-building, this is not a reason not to take him," Lombardi said. "As we know, he also organizes pilgrimages to Lourdes, he is a member of the Order of Malta, he takes care of the sick, so certainly he is a person with a notable human and Christian sensibility."

It appeared that the IOR's board simply didn't know about the old frigate contract and that von Fryberg didn't think to mention it, given that the company's primary work is in civilian shipbuilding.

The Vatican bank's finances have long been shrouded in secrecy and scandal. Most famously, the bank was implicated in a scandal over the collapse of the Banco Ambrosiano in the 1980s in one of Italy's largest fraud cases. Roberto Calvi, the head of Banco Ambrosiano, was found hanging from Blackfriars Bridge in London in 1982 in circumstances that remain mysterious.

Banco Ambrosiano collapsed following the disappearance of $1.3 billion in loans the bank had made to several dummy companies in Latin America. The Vatican had provided letters of credit for the loans.

While denying any wrongdoing, the Vatican bank agreed to pay $250 million to Ambrosiano's creditors.
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Pope has immunity in abuse trials: Vatican


www.reuters.com/article/2010/04/01/us-po...dUSTRE62U5RF20100401

(Reuters) - Pope Benedict, accused by victims' lawyers of being ultimately responsible for an alleged cover-up of sexual abuse of children by priests, cannot be called to testify at any trial because he has immunity as a head of state, a top Vatican legal official said on Thursday.

The interview with Giuseppe dalla Torre, head of the Vatican's tribunal, was published in Italy's Corriere della Sera newspaper as Pope Benedict led Holy Thursday services in St Peter's Basilica and Catholics marked the most solemn week of the liturgical calendar, culminating on Sunday in Easter Day.

In the morning the pope blessed oils for Church services during the year, and in the evening in the Rome basilica of St John's in Lateran he washed the feet of 12 priests to commemorate Jesus' gesture of humility the night before he died.

But on the day Catholics commemorate Christ's founding of the priesthood, the pope did not refer in any of his sermons to the crisis of confidence sweeping the Church as almost daily revelations surface of sexual abuse of children in the past, accompanied by allegations of a cover-up.

Dalla Torre outlined the Vatican's strategy to defend the pope from being forced to testify in several lawsuits concerning sexual abuse which are currently moving through the U.S. legal system.

"The pope is certainly a head of state, who has the same juridical status as all heads of state," he said, arguing he therefore had immunity from foreign courts.

Lawyers representing victims of sexual abuse by priests in several cases in the United States have said they would want the pope to testify in an attempt to try to prove the Vatican was negligent.

But the pope is protected by diplomatic immunity because more than 170 countries, including the United States, have diplomatic relations with the Vatican. They recognize it as a sovereign state and the pope as its sovereign head.

Dalla Torre rejected suggestions that U.S. bishops, some of whom have been accused of moving molesters from parish to parish instead of turning them in to police, could be considered Vatican employees, making their "boss" ultimately responsible.

CHURCH NOT A MULTI-NATIONAL

"The Church is not a multi-national corporation," dalla Torre said. "He has (spiritual) primacy over the Church ... but every bishop is legally responsible for running a diocese."

Dalla Torre also rejected suggestions by some U.S. lawyers and critics of the Church that Vatican documents in 1962 and 2001 encouraged local bishops not to report sexual abuse cases.

He re-stated the Vatican's position that the documents, one of which called for procedures to remain secret, did not suggest to bishops that they should not report cases to authorities.

"Secrecy served above all to protect the victim and also the accused, who could turn out to be innocent, and it regarded only the canonical (church) trial and did not substitute the penal process," he said.

"There is nothing that prohibited anyone (in the Church) from giving information to civil authorities."

The Vatican has taken off the gloves in its response to media reports alleging the pope mishandled a series of abuse cases before he was elected.

It launched a frontal attack on the New York Times on Wednesday night by posting a long statement on its website (http:/www.vatican.va/resources/resources_card-levada2010_en.html)by Cardinal William J. Levada, who succeeded the pope (http:/www.vatican.va/resources/resources_card-levada2010_en.html)by Cardinal William J. Levada, who succeeded the pope as head of the Vatican's doctrinal department.

Levada asked the newspaper "to reconsider its attack mode about Pope Benedict XVI and give the world a more balanced view of a leader it can and should count on."

The Vatican has denied any cover-up over the abuse of 200 deaf boys in the United States by Reverend Lawrence Murphy from 1950 to 1974. The New York Times reported the Vatican and Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict, were warned about Murphy but he was not defrocked.

The Times said its reports were "based on meticulous reporting and documents."
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Nice back-to-back posts Earl!

In Post #1 we see the sort of "gotcha moment" which I take such delight in presenting myself. The "pro-life" Catholic Church up-to-its arm-pits in manufacturing weapons of DEATH. Of course there's nothing surprising in learning of connections between the Catholic Church and the U.S. war-machine.

The "surprising" part is that they no longer even appear to be worried about CONCEALING their overt hypocrisy...much like "championing celibacy" and then covering-up the LEGIONS of Catholic priests who went around buggering young boys.

And then in Post #2 we have the ultimate confirmation of saturation-corruption: when (well-connected) individuals/entities seek "immunity" for their crimes. Obviiously innocent people require no "immunity."


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What struck me about this when the news broke was that it has the potential to demystify the Pope, something I believe could benefit Catholics in the long run depending on how they respond to it.
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The new pope has named himself in the honor of Francis the Assisi. Considering that clouds of a big all out war a looming over Syria, is this only a co-incidence that the pope has chosen to name himself after Francis of Assisi, considering that he also took part in the crusades.

www.christiantimelines.com/franciscrusades.htm
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samix wrote:
The new pope has named himself in the honor of Francis the Assisi. Considering that clouds of a big all out war a looming over Syria, is this only a co-incidence that the pope has chosen to name himself after Francis of Assisi, considering that he also took part in the crusades.

www.christiantimelines.com/franciscrusades.htm



Indeed Samix, those of us who tend to be highly suspicious of "coincidence" may place considerable significance on this symbolic gesture.
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samix wrote:
The new pope has named himself in the honor of Francis the Assisi. Considering that clouds of a big all out war a looming over Syria, is this only a co-incidence that the pope has chosen to name himself after Francis of Assisi, considering that he also took part in the crusades.

www.christiantimelines.com/franciscrusades.htm


This is the most concise text of what I've heard on MSM-

WHY DID THE NEW POPE PICK THE NAME FRANCIS?


By Associated Press & THE WASHINGTON POST
www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/mar/14/tp-w...ck-the-name-francis/

In choosing a name no other pope had ever taken, Pope Francis could be signaling that he sees the need for change in the Roman Catholic Church. Here are some facts about the name:

Where is the inspiration of the name?

For his name, Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio chose one that harks back eight centuries to a man who renounced a life of privilege and took a vow of poverty.

Initially, it was not entirely certain that Bergoglio named himself after St. Francis of Assisi because there are other famous Francises in the church’s long history, such as St. Francis Xavier.

But Vatican spokesman Thomas Rosica dispelled any ambiguity: “Cardinal Bergoglio had a special place in his heart and his ministry for the poor, for the disenfranchised, for those living on the fringes and facing injustice.”

What meaning does the name hold?

Since Francis is associated with peacemaking and compassion for the poor, the choice of name could foretell the pope’s priority to bring a sense of serenity to the church.

While St. Francis is known to his followers for embracing poverty and simplicity, the friar “sought a reformation and a rebuilding of the church, seeking to act in the world rather than withdraw from it. For Bergoglio to take the name Francis signals that, as pope, he will focus on social justice and global inequality,” said Eric LeCompte, executive director of Jubilee USA Network, an interfaith organization that advocates financial reforms.

What are a new name’s implications?

It might say something of the courage the Argentine pope might bring to his mission.

“It takes a certain kind of chutzpah (to pick) a brand-new name, not honoring someone in the past. It means you are looking in a whole new different direction,” said Monsignor Raymond J. Kupke, professor of church history at Seton Hall University.

“The implication to me from the choice of a new name, and the name chosen, is that a change is in store,” said Drexel University professor Jonathan Seitz. Choosing the name of one of Italy’s patron saints also ties the new pope to Italy, the homeland of all popes of the last few centuries until 1978.


"sought a reformation and a rebuilding of the church"- Most often stated.

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