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#22336
Re: Surviving the Coming Collapse. 1 Year, 5 Months ago Karma: 52
Just a quick update here.
I bought a used wood gasification boiler on ebay for $2700. They are normally $5500 & up.
I bought a 30 tube solar hot water maker for my roof ($2200), and an 80 gallon solar hot water tank brand new on Craigs list for $425. They are normally $1300.
I'm a cheapskate.
I'm building a 1000 gallon non pressurized water storage tank (heat battery) that will have copper heat exchange tubes for domestic hot water & baseboard heat.
I hope to use no oil at all when I'm done.
I now spend $4500 a year on heating oil & I have my system turned off most of the time. When I do turn the heat on, it's only for one zone out of the four I have, so that's $4500 a year to be cold.
I can provide links to anyone who wants them & you can start doing your own homework.

Earl put up a great post a while ago about the work of Chris Martenson, and the giant pyramid scheme that is rapidly approaching collapse.
So who is preparing for this collapse?

Your government, thats who.

Consider the endless borrowing & printing of money to prop up this Potemkin village society.
Consider the attacks on the good money, gold and silver, that accompany these coordinated Ponzi schemes.
Consider the bullshit we are being fed about the US becoming energy self sufficient.
Anyone who has done any serious reading about energy knows this is laughable to the point of crying.

Now consider this.
Near where I live, the National Guard is putting in a new base, over the feeble complaints of the local mayor.
It was advertised as a vehicle repair facility.
When I met some National Guardians at a street fair, where they were recruiting jobless college grads, I asked them if they were from that base.
"No sir, that base is still under construction", replied the leader.
"Oh", I said. "What is it for?".
"it's an armory, sir".

An armory?
In suburbia?
Really?

Would someone care to explain to me why an armory is needed in suburbia?

Near this soon to be completed armory, some bulldozers were brought in alongside the Interstate highway that passes by.
For several weeks they graded & shaped a six foot high, 100 foot long ramp that could hold a couple tractor trailers.
Then they put up a highway railing to block access to this ramp.
What's it for?

If I wanted to control that highway, I'd put a tank up there.

A bit further down the road, they brought in construction equipment & excavated a grassy area alongside the same highway at an exit ramp.
They built four foot earthen walls around the perimeter, and left one access point.
For what?

If I wanted to control that area, I'd put an APC in there.

Is anyone else seeing these things?

I know that the NG base in Kingston, NY has A-1 tanks.

What for?

So, in summary, if the government believes it needs to take steps to control civil unrest after a major collapse, shouldn't you?

Be well, be prepared, be vigilant.
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#22337
Re: Surviving the Coming Collapse. 1 Year, 5 Months ago Karma: 218
To the Community,

Not to take away from the "thread", but to answer a good question-

Is anyone else seeing these things?


I see "big" diary digging deep. They're buying every piece of land they can.
Eight inch wells 1/4 mile pivots. I've seen more "woods" cleared for agriculture in the last year than in the last DECADE. Many more wells for water.

The private prison just completed a 12.5 million dollar "upgrade".

So, what do you see ???

Be well, be prepared, be vigilant.


Many Thanks,
Earl
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#22340
Re: Surviving the Coming Collapse. 1 Year, 4 Months ago Karma: 261
bobbbny wrote:


...Now consider this.
Near where I live, the National Guard is putting in a new base, over the feeble complaints of the local mayor.
It was advertised as a vehicle repair facility.
When I met some National Guardians at a street fair, where they were recruiting jobless college grads, I asked them if they were from that base.
"No sir, that base is still under construction", replied the leader.
"Oh", I said. "What is it for?".
"it's an armory, sir".

An armory?
In suburbia?
Really?

Would someone care to explain to me why an armory is needed in suburbia?...




Definitely pause for concern. However, if it was me; I wouldn't start to get REALLY worried until construction starts on the local "private prison". There's not much likelihood of the U.S. government breaking out all those guns UNLESS/UNTIL they have somewhere to warehouse all the "trouble-makers"...permanently.

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#22422
Re: Surviving the Coming Collapse. 1 Year, 4 Months ago Karma: 218
bobbbny,

Just a quick update here.
I bought a used wood gasification boiler on ebay for $2700. They are normally $5500 & up.
I bought a 30 tube solar hot water maker for my roof ($2200), and an 80 gallon solar hot water tank brand new on Craigs list for $425. They are normally $1300.
I'm a cheapskate.
I'm building a 1000 gallon non pressurized water storage tank (heat battery) that will have copper heat exchange tubes for domestic hot water & baseboard heat.
I hope to use no oil at all when I'm done.
I now spend $4500 a year on heating oil & I have my system turned off most of the time. When I do turn the heat on, it's only for one zone out of the four I have, so that's $4500 a year to be cold.
I can provide links to anyone who wants them & you can start doing your own homework.


bobbbny,

Mertis and I will be having to "upgrade from our pup tent" soon. We'd love to implement as much of your independence as possible. As you know the info can be confusing and dishonest. We'd appreciate any links /info you can provide.

If you post a reply, I'll be sure to add it to the "info link " thread. I hope I'm not asking too much, but your generator info all together would be great for future members. Power, Heat, Solar hot water et al.

You've "physically mapped a course and driven the miles". The info would be very much appreciated.

Any hind sight would also be very valuable.

When you have the time-

Thank You
Earl
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#22457
Re: Surviving the Coming Collapse. 1 Year, 4 Months ago Karma: 52
Hi Earl & Mertis,
There are lots of good sites on the web to get started.
The fastest, easiest, cheapest thing to do is solar, which can heat your home & make hot water at no cost.
There are lots of ideas, projects, & links at Build it Solar.

www.builditsolar.com/index.htm

Most of the stuff here is DIY, and ranges from solar collectors made from used soda cans to full blown systems for everything up to & including heating a hot tub.
Great place to start.

For wood based heating, go to hearth.com, and look for the forums under the navigation button.
Lots of topics here, from DIY wood heating, to complex systems using hot water storage for round the clock heat & hot water.
Everyone on this site is very helpful, especially for newbies like me.
My handle is Norwegian Wood.

As far as diesel generators, not so much.
There are some good sites, like biodiesel.infopop.cc/eve/forums where you can get started.

Once you have an idea of what you want to do, start collecting what you need from the dump, friends, craigslist, ebay, etc.
For example, I'm installing a complete wood gasification boiler system with 1000 gallons of hot water storage, and I began gathering my wood last year. Free wood on craigslist, side of the road cut trees, a local landscaper, etc.
The wood needs to age for two years, so start early or buy.

If you wanted to make your own solar hot air collectors, you would save cans & start scrounging for frames now.
Decide which direction you want to go, & begin collecting the components, and you won't have to pay$$$ when you want to put it all together.

Hope this helps get you started.

Be well, be prepared, be vigilant.
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#22460
Re: Surviving the Coming Collapse. 1 Year, 4 Months ago Karma: 261
bobbbny wrote:
...Most of the stuff here is DIY...


Bobbbny, obviously you have never seen ME trying to cope with "building instructions" before.



...like the day I brought home a reclinging chair for assembly. I laid out all the parts and then spent another 15 minutes or so attempting to figure out my "strategy" for putting the chair together.

I was almost ready to write off the whole effort as a "hopeless task" when suddenly I was hit with an epiphany: why not try starting with Step #1...?


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#22906
Re: Surviving the Coming Collapse. 1 Year, 4 Months ago Karma: 168
This Syrian man has made wonderful stuff of everyday use from mortars and shell, look towards the end to see a motorcycle made thus.

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#23936
Re: Surviving the Coming Collapse. 1 Year, 2 Months ago Karma: 72
For all those interested in permaculture...

www.occupymonsanto360.org/2012/04/25/int...free-video-lectures/

Peace,
Mertis
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#23952
Re: Surviving the Coming Collapse. 1 Year, 2 Months ago Karma: 261
Mertis wrote:
For all those interested in permaculture...

www.occupymonsanto360.org/2012/04/25/int...free-video-lectures/

Peace,
Mertis



Thanks for the post Mertis! A fascinating resource.

I suspect that as an apartment-dweller I'm not in a position to practice "permaculture" as a personal lifestyle. However, I remain fascinated by/committed to sustainable policies which will allow us to live in harmony with the world around us...rather than continuing to ferociously ATTACK this planet every day of our lives.

Whenever one looks closely at any of these sustainability/symbiosis doctrines; it suddenly becomes quite easy to embrace the Buddhist vision (version) of the Universe: that the universe is nothing but a single organism; and as "individuals" we are nothing but facets of that One Organism -- like single nerve-cells.



Of course, if that philosophy is anywhere close to being the Truth, it would explain (to a great degree) why our accomplishments (in aggregate) are so much greater when we work together.
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#23965
Re: Surviving the Coming Collapse. 1 Year, 2 Months ago Karma: 83
I think an important thing to note is one of the key moves to survive the coming collapse is to somehow get yourself onto some land. At least for permaculture, I think that's pretty much a requirement, but land is key to being self-sufficient. Being in cities when the collapse occurs is probably not in itself very healthy. I got out for exactly that reason...

Which necessarily leads me to concerns about how exactly do people who find themselves in cities at the time this occurs manage? Probably having friends on the land would help, and a stock of food to tide them over until they can get out?
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