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#22422
Re: Surviving the Coming Collapse. 1 Year, 1 Month ago Karma: 204
bobbbny,

Just a quick update here.
I bought a used wood gasification boiler on ebay for $2700. They are normally $5500 & up.
I bought a 30 tube solar hot water maker for my roof ($2200), and an 80 gallon solar hot water tank brand new on Craigs list for $425. They are normally $1300.
I'm a cheapskate.
I'm building a 1000 gallon non pressurized water storage tank (heat battery) that will have copper heat exchange tubes for domestic hot water & baseboard heat.
I hope to use no oil at all when I'm done.
I now spend $4500 a year on heating oil & I have my system turned off most of the time. When I do turn the heat on, it's only for one zone out of the four I have, so that's $4500 a year to be cold.
I can provide links to anyone who wants them & you can start doing your own homework.


bobbbny,

Mertis and I will be having to "upgrade from our pup tent" soon. We'd love to implement as much of your independence as possible. As you know the info can be confusing and dishonest. We'd appreciate any links /info you can provide.

If you post a reply, I'll be sure to add it to the "info link " thread. I hope I'm not asking too much, but your generator info all together would be great for future members. Power, Heat, Solar hot water et al.

You've "physically mapped a course and driven the miles". The info would be very much appreciated.

Any hind sight would also be very valuable.

When you have the time-

Thank You
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#22457
Re: Surviving the Coming Collapse. 1 Year, 1 Month ago Karma: 52
Hi Earl & Mertis,
There are lots of good sites on the web to get started.
The fastest, easiest, cheapest thing to do is solar, which can heat your home & make hot water at no cost.
There are lots of ideas, projects, & links at Build it Solar.

www.builditsolar.com/index.htm

Most of the stuff here is DIY, and ranges from solar collectors made from used soda cans to full blown systems for everything up to & including heating a hot tub.
Great place to start.

For wood based heating, go to hearth.com, and look for the forums under the navigation button.
Lots of topics here, from DIY wood heating, to complex systems using hot water storage for round the clock heat & hot water.
Everyone on this site is very helpful, especially for newbies like me.
My handle is Norwegian Wood.

As far as diesel generators, not so much.
There are some good sites, like biodiesel.infopop.cc/eve/forums where you can get started.

Once you have an idea of what you want to do, start collecting what you need from the dump, friends, craigslist, ebay, etc.
For example, I'm installing a complete wood gasification boiler system with 1000 gallons of hot water storage, and I began gathering my wood last year. Free wood on craigslist, side of the road cut trees, a local landscaper, etc.
The wood needs to age for two years, so start early or buy.

If you wanted to make your own solar hot air collectors, you would save cans & start scrounging for frames now.
Decide which direction you want to go, & begin collecting the components, and you won't have to pay$$$ when you want to put it all together.

Hope this helps get you started.

Be well, be prepared, be vigilant.
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#22460
Re: Surviving the Coming Collapse. 1 Year, 1 Month ago Karma: 255
bobbbny wrote:
...Most of the stuff here is DIY...


Bobbbny, obviously you have never seen ME trying to cope with "building instructions" before.



...like the day I brought home a reclinging chair for assembly. I laid out all the parts and then spent another 15 minutes or so attempting to figure out my "strategy" for putting the chair together.

I was almost ready to write off the whole effort as a "hopeless task" when suddenly I was hit with an epiphany: why not try starting with Step #1...?


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#22906
Re: Surviving the Coming Collapse. 1 Year ago Karma: 168
This Syrian man has made wonderful stuff of everyday use from mortars and shell, look towards the end to see a motorcycle made thus.

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#23936
Re: Surviving the Coming Collapse. 11 Months, 3 Weeks ago Karma: 71
For all those interested in permaculture...

www.occupymonsanto360.org/2012/04/25/int...free-video-lectures/

Peace,
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#23952
Re: Surviving the Coming Collapse. 11 Months, 3 Weeks ago Karma: 255
Mertis wrote:
For all those interested in permaculture...

www.occupymonsanto360.org/2012/04/25/int...free-video-lectures/

Peace,
Mertis



Thanks for the post Mertis! A fascinating resource.

I suspect that as an apartment-dweller I'm not in a position to practice "permaculture" as a personal lifestyle. However, I remain fascinated by/committed to sustainable policies which will allow us to live in harmony with the world around us...rather than continuing to ferociously ATTACK this planet every day of our lives.

Whenever one looks closely at any of these sustainability/symbiosis doctrines; it suddenly becomes quite easy to embrace the Buddhist vision (version) of the Universe: that the universe is nothing but a single organism; and as "individuals" we are nothing but facets of that One Organism -- like single nerve-cells.



Of course, if that philosophy is anywhere close to being the Truth, it would explain (to a great degree) why our accomplishments (in aggregate) are so much greater when we work together.
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#23965
Re: Surviving the Coming Collapse. 11 Months, 3 Weeks ago Karma: 77
I think an important thing to note is one of the key moves to survive the coming collapse is to somehow get yourself onto some land. At least for permaculture, I think that's pretty much a requirement, but land is key to being self-sufficient. Being in cities when the collapse occurs is probably not in itself very healthy. I got out for exactly that reason...

Which necessarily leads me to concerns about how exactly do people who find themselves in cities at the time this occurs manage? Probably having friends on the land would help, and a stock of food to tide them over until they can get out?
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#23973
Re: Surviving the Coming Collapse. 11 Months, 3 Weeks ago Karma: 52
robinsld,
As witnessed by the massive "city lockdown" drill just practiced in Boston, as well as the tenth anniversary of 911 lockdowns that occurred in NYC, SF, and Wash DC, the cities are the worst place you could possibly be when TSHTF.
In NYC in 2011, bridges, tunnels, and highways were completely closed at 2AM in order to perfect the exercise of a city lockdown.
It was all because of a "heightened terror alert".
"Shelter in place" is now part of our lexicon since two weeks ago.
In Boston, cellphone service was completely turned off, and police, ATF, DHS, FBI, National Guard, State police, and who knows what else were immediately on the spot, in force, with armored personnel carriers and M 15's.
When TSHTF, city dwellers will be fed from the back of FEMA trucks.
There will be no getting out, unless you can smell it at least 24 hours in advance, & you have a plan.

You left the city?
You did the right thing.

Now go grow a garden, stockpile long term food & water supplies, get energy independent, have the means to defend your property, and buy PM.
Then you can wait things out while your neighbors are living in FEMA camps.
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#23974
Re: Surviving the Coming Collapse. 11 Months, 3 Weeks ago Karma: 77
bobbbny wrote:
robinsld,
As witnessed by the massive "city lockdown" drill just practiced in Boston, as well as the tenth anniversary of 911 lockdowns that occurred in NYC, SF, and Wash DC, the cities are the worst place you could possibly be when TSHTF.
In NYC in 2011, bridges, tunnels, and highways were completely closed at 2AM in order to perfect the exercise of a city lockdown.
It was all because of a "heightened terror alert".
"Shelter in place" is now part of our lexicon since two weeks ago.
In Boston, cellphone service was completely turned off, and police, ATF, DHS, FBI, National Guard, State police, and who knows what else were immediately on the spot, in force, with armored personnel carriers and M 15's.
When TSHTF, city dwellers will be fed from the back of FEMA trucks.
There will be no getting out, unless you can smell it at least 24 hours in advance, & you have a plan.

You left the city?
You did the right thing.

Now go grow a garden, stockpile long term food & water supplies, get energy independent, have the means to defend your property, and buy PM.
Then you can wait things out while your neighbors are living in FEMA camps.


Well, bobbbny, we don't have FEMA camps here in Australia. Yet....

But I'm sure there will be something similar in time. There are those who consider Australia the PTB's ark, to escape to when things get bad in the Northern Hemisphere. I don't know about that, but there is an awful lot of Halliburton- financed construction going on in Brisbane, purported to be the starting point of the NWO if that ever comes to pass... Luckily I got out of Brisbane, my nearest big city, the place of my birth and where I have lived for the last decade. Now I have my little "farm" I can indeed grow and stockpile food, I have a creek to supply water, and I get lots of rain here. I have a good, adequate stand-alone solar power system, and only have to make sure I don't overload it to keep it going for something like 10 years, before I have to do anything major to it.

I no longer have the money to buy PM. I already did that.

I also have no discernible income, being "retired" as I am. I have to live on the small amount of money I've left in the bank for paying bills and then I'll have to start selling small amounts of my PM. That won't be for a while yet; my costs are quite low. But in time, I will have to, and for that reason, I would rather this current "PM buying opportunity" didn't last for too much longer. I can't wait years. Personally, I think it will be over in a few months, and then all hell will break loose. For the moment, I'm just sitting still, biding my time, reading lots, thinking even more, and occasionally doing some work around the farm.... I like this retirement gig.
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#23975
Re: Surviving the Coming Collapse. 11 Months, 3 Weeks ago Karma: 94


Well, bobbbny, we don't have FEMA camps here in Australia. Yet....



I wouldn't be so shure about that...

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