What I will do now?

I will try to estimate the weight of elenin. That should be possible, because the JPL modell gives us information about the velocity and distance of elenin relative to the sun. So in that mathematical modell I will try to calculate the weight based on the asumption, that ONLY our own sun influences the trajectory of elenin. That should be possible, because the sun is so much heavier, than the earth (or the brown dwarf). OK, you can bring the argument, that the brown dwarf should influence elenin the most, because it could have a smaller distance to elenin. But that is not the case any longer, when elenin is near by our sun.
That gives us the idea, that I have to use data (from the modell), where elenin has the smallest distance to the sun.
When we have an imagination about the weight, we can also calculate the gravitational force between elenin and the earth (let's say an estimation) and we could also calculate the influence of the sun (alignment(s)).


Notice: the quality of the output of the calculations depends on the quality of the JPL modell, which I do not know....

For a while, I will not participate on the forum, because I need the time.

Redpill it certainly appears that (at the moment) we DO have some time to observe (and plan?).

Over the next month we will observe one of two possibilities: either our level of seismic activity around the world will continue to intensify (STRONGLY reinforcing this hypothesis), OR we will see seismic activity decline (or perhaps simply remain stable).

In the latter (preferable) scenario, this would strongly indicate that the scenario being portrayed in these clips is NOT realistic - and that all of this material has been grossly misrepresenting the astronomical phenomena now taking place.

Naturally I'm going to be "praying" for a VERY QUIET summer!

BlackMill; You are right when you say that 98% of the population cannot prepare for this. I also share your sentiment about "keeping this to myself", just in case the good folks over at JPL are right that this is just a "wimpy" comet. I continue my prepping under my original hypothesis; that a huge debt crisis is coming (which it is).
Jeff is right about watching for continued seismic events, which are already off the charts.
What has me concerned is the absolute silence in any media about 3 comets coming at the same time. Normally some chucklehead somewhere would be talking about going out & buying a telescope to watch the coming "fireworks".
I am also scratching my head about the Norwegian seed deep freeze, and the open letter from the Norwegian politician about the underground facilities built to hold 2 million people.
Apparently, governments around the world are doing this.
As to the world afterwards, who knows?
People have been around for a long time, & 3600 years is a drop in the cosmic bucket.
There could be widespread destruction if this is more than a "wimpy" comet, but I think the world will go on.
Anyway, no harm in having some extra food & water set aside just in case.
There is also no way of telling where the destruction will hit hardest.
The Minoan civilization on Crete was completely wiped out 3600 years ago by a volcano, earthquake, & massive tsunami, estimated at 500 feet! The nearby Egyptian civilization, and several others continued on.
Unfortunately, not much history from 1600 BC.

Anyway, here's the letter.

www.metacafe.com/watch/1076976/a_letter_...litician_about_2012/

I'm still researching this.

There are three possibilities here, as I see it...

1. Elenin is a comet. Comets just aren't big enough to do anything like cause earthquakes. They're almost entirely various types of ice, and so are continually shrinking as they get closer to the sun, and even while they move away from the sun for a few million miles. So, unless it strikes the planet, expect nothing of this one. If it did strike us, which seems unlikely given the plotted orbit, no amount of storing food or planning would save anyone, unless you had enough for 10 or 15 years and could live underground. The "nuclear winter" from too much dust in the atmosphere, or too much water vapour causing years of precipitation, would pretty much end life as we know it.

2. Elenin is a brown dwarf star. It passes by without doing much except for a few earthquakes and volcanoes. The only good thing about its orbit is that when it's between the sun and earth, it's below the ecliptic, and when it's closest to earth, it's above the ecliptic. That should give a bit of a break. This scenario we can probably prepare for.

3. Elenin is a brown dwarf, and basically rips much of the planet apart due to gravitational forces, or causes the mass flooding shown in the video presented earlier in this thread. Either way, there's not much good that preparation will do. Even if you live in the high Sierra of Ecuador, like I do, the inundation of Brazil's Amazon basin means that rivers that flow through much of the mountains here will start to rise and rise and rise, since the water will have nowhere to go, and the change in humidity will cause it to rain and rain and rain.

And that's only if earthquakes don't get us first (luckily for us, there are no volancoes nearby, although I suppose a new one could appear if forces are strong enough).

So, I guess you plan for 1 or 2, praying for #1. If you think it's going to be #3, go enjoy yourself now with the remainder of your money! Of course, that's what everyone thought in 1999, before Y2K, so you may not want to spend it all. Although I'd expect all currency to be worthless some time before this event, since there won't be much of anything left to buy.

Jeff TOO

I've been looking for events & objects from 1600 BC to see what can be found.
Unfortunately, there is not much.
I found this recent find very interesting.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebra_sky_disk

It seems these Bronze Age Germans, (not the worlds most advanced civilization at the time), took the time & effort to record this event in copper & gold.
It would seem a stretch to believe they would take this effort to produce, in gold, an image of the sun, moon, and a routine constellation. This appears to be a message designed to last a long time & to communicate information, much like the gold plaques we placed on our Voyager spacecraft (still going) to impart information about our planet & species.
Could that "constellation" on the Nebra disk possibly be a passing celestial body with orbiting moons?
They could only record what they could see with their bare eyes. It must have been important.
Note the link to the 5th millennium Goseck Circle, a forerunner of Stonehenge, that would date to the previous 3600 year Elenin orbit.
Please note as well that we survived both.
It must have caused quite a bit of nail biting though.

Redpill, it appears that you’re more knowledgeable than I about physics – I didn’t realize the model gave enough information to estimate Elenin’s mass. You made a (minor) typo, though – the gravitational constant’s order of magnitude is 10^(-11).

Not only is it possible for planets to not all move on the same plane, it is inevitable. This is because a planet’s orbit slowly basically rotates (for lack of a better word). Picture Earth revolving around the Sun; the next year, the orbit would have the same-shaped orbit – but the orbit is on a different plane than the first year.

This rotation of the orbit is most clearly shown by Mercury – its orbit’s plane rotates by about 2.5 degrees each year. The 8 planets (remember back when there were 9?), I’ve been taught, all have rotating orbits.

Bobbny, I seriously doubt there was an alignment between Elenin, the Sun, and the Earth both of the last 2 times Elenin came by. If I'm right, the Sun-Elenin-Earth alignment - which apparently will happen - is the most serious that's possible. Just how serious it'll be, I don't know.

The videomaker made a logical error, though. The timing regarding the alignments is certainly significant, but that isn't enough to be a causal relationship. Just a period of increased probability of natural disasters happening (maybe greatly-increased probability for all I know).

Rich Russians Buy Bunkers on Apocalypse Angst

www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-12/apocal...acquire-bunkers.html

Terrorism can be good for bunker builders. An apocalypse can be even better for business.

Danila Andreyev started building “panic rooms” three years ago, when fears of terrorist attacks and commercial disputes turning violent created demand in Russia. Now he’s selling “survival bunkers” for as much as $400,000 each to capitalize on angst over theories the world will end next year.

“I myself am not a believer in doomsday scenarios,” Andreyev, 31, whose Spetsgeoproekt company is completing 15 bunkers at hidden locations across Russia, said at his office in central Moscow. “But when you start hearing clients talking about the end of the world, it gets you thinking.”

While Russia has been a target for terrorists, with 37 people dying in a blast at Moscow’s busiest airport in January, more people are looking to protect themselves from what Andreyev calls a “global cataclysm” in 2012 based on predictions such as interpretations of the ancient Mayan calendar.

Northwest Shelter Systems, a company based in Sandpoint, Idaho, that specializes in nuclear bomb shelters, has seen the number of inquiries from potential customers rise as much as 60 percent since the March tsunami and earthquake in Japan, Allen Thompson, vice president, said by e-mail.

The Vivos Group, a California-based bunker builder with a website that features a meteor striking Earth, said requests for a shelter in one of its facilities jumped by 10 times since the disaster, which left about 25,000 people dead or missing.
Be Prepared

“Hundreds of applications” come from Russia and other former Soviet states, Vivos founder Robert Vicino said by e- mail. The nearest Vivos shelter is at an unidentified location in central Europe, he said. It costs about $25,000 per person.

“Every person has a different belief or sense of what may be ahead for all of us,” Vicino said. “Vivos is not about 2012, but having a life assurance solution for our families for whenever disaster strikes.”

Vivos is building facilities in the U.S. and elsewhere. It said in January it was considering buying a two-story bunker constructed for the U.K. government in 1990 in rural Scotland.

Spetsgeoproekt, which stands for Special Geological Projects, plans to open a showroom in the affluent Moscow neighborhood of Rublevka this year and is expanding into Russia’s regions, Andreyev said.

The company’s bunkers range from 35 to 90 square meters (377 to 969 square feet). Maintaining the unit, including the air system, runs about $2,500 a year, he said.
Avoiding Floods

Altai, the mountainous southern Siberian region that borders China, Mongolia and Kazakhstan, is of particular interest because it’s believed to be “flood proof,” Andreyev said. Spetsgeoproekt started building an 80 square-meter, $350,000 bunker in Altai.

“They all say the same thing: Next year there’ll be a polar shift or something and most of Russia will be flooded except for Altai and a few other regions,” Andreyev said.

Alexei, 35, one of Andreyev’s clients, said distress over the coming apocalypse prompted him in February to order the construction of a $150,000 bunker big enough to shelter eight people outside of Moscow. He declined to give his full name to keep it secret that he ordered a bunker.

Something catastrophic will certainly happen next year, Alexei said in a telephone interview.

“It all points to some shake-up on Dec. 21, 2012,” Alexei said, citing his interpretations of the doomsday predictions of 16th century French apothecary Nostradamus, the blind Bulgarian mystic Baba Vanga and the Mayan calendar.
Soviet Designs

Andreyev said his bunkers are based on Soviet military designs from the 1970s and modified with modern technologies. The walls resemble those used in nuclear power stations and the air systems are akin to those used in spaceships and submarines. The doors are similar to those in Swiss bank vaults, he said.

Russia has a history of bunker building, particularly during the Cold War amid fears of a nuclear attack.

Several previously secret facilities in and around Moscow opened to the public since the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, including a 7,000 square-meter compound 60 meters below Taganka Square in central Moscow that’s been turned into a Cold War museum. It can be rented for parties and weddings.

It may be a sign of the times that Yevgeny Ubiyko, a former Red Army engineer who served in what was once Czechoslovakia, feels the need to start producing floating bunkers. Ubiyko, 45, built his own 32 square-meter “mobile safe” that he now advertises on his website, offering to replicate it for anyone willing to pay at least $80,000. He has four orders so far.

“With seismic activity increasing and abnormal weather events becoming more frequent, it’s clear the trend is such that soon the recent earthquake and tsunami in Japan will seem like a minor event,” Ubiyko said by telephone. “People are starting to think about shelters, like Noah and his ark.”

mathnerd,

you are right, I have found out, that it is impossible, to calculate a weight, if you only have the data of the movement. That is because the formula for centrifugal forces contains also (like Newtons gravitational law) the weight of the "boddy".

What concerns me most at the moment, is the fact, that we have a beginning polshift:



That was predicted in the case of an incomming "comet" with a big seize..

It also means, that our best shelter against sun flares, the magnetic field of earth is weakening.