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Re: Irish being fed Horse-meat TOO !!!! 1 Year, 5 Months ago Karma: 168
Oh yeah, I have almost listened to all russel peter videos that are there on the internet by now. LOL! his Indian items are actually very very close to reality. Indian and for that matter all easterners practice corporal punishment for their kids, even today, I think it is a good medicine if used in proper doses.
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samix wrote:
Oh yeah, I have almost listened to all russel peter videos that are there on the internet by now. LOL! his Indian items are actually very very close to reality. Indian and for that matter all easterners practice corporal punishment for their kids, even today, I think it is a good medicine if used in proper doses.

Careful Samix!

Now we're veering FULLY into "politically incorrect" territory (here in the West). Swat a young child on the bottom in our society, and then watch people stare at you like you just kicked a puppy.

What our Politically Correct zealots are utterly incapable of understanding is that "discipline" (even mild, corporate punishment) isn't administered to be cruel to a child, but rather is done as a learning aid.

Try to "reason" with a 3-year-old child about why they should never run out onto a road, and in the MONTHS that process would take your child might easily get run down. However, a firm swat on the posterior accompanied by "no, that's wrong" is a way of effectively reaching these undeveloped minds.

Ironically, with spanking now Verboten in our society; one method used by some parents to keep their children from darting in front of the nearest car is to attach elastic tethers to their young children -- i.e. put them on LEASHES.

I challenge any psychologist/psychiatrist (amateur or otherwise) to explain how an occasional (disciplinary) swat on the behind is more "psychologically damaging" than tethering a child.


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Europe's "Horse-meat" scandal continues spreading 1 Year, 4 Months ago Karma: 261
For most of the peoples of Europe, it's no longer a question of "if" multinational, "meat" producing Oligarchs have conspired to feed them horse-meat (i.e. dog food) -- and call it "beef". The only remaining questions are "how LONG" have the Oligarchs been feeding them dog food, and "how MUCH" have they already eaten???



Previously whenever I have purchased any "packaged" meat products; I have wondered (half in amusement) whether the "chicken" listed in the ingredients was really chicken, or the "beef" was really beef.

I still ask myself those questions...except now without any trace of whimsy/amusement.



P.S. I ask the question again: how long until we North Americans discover we're ALSO being fed "dog food" (labeled and priced as beef)???





Ikea Withdraws Meatballs Across Europe After Horse-Meat Find


www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-02-25/ikea-w...horse-meat-find.html

Ikea Group, the world’s biggest furniture retailer, became the latest company to be drawn into Europe’s horse-meat scandal after it stopped serving and selling Swedish meatballs in its home market and in France.

The decision followed the discovery by authorities in the Czech Republic of traces of horse meat in the product, Ikea spokeswoman Ylva Magnusson said by phone. The Swedish retailer also pulled meatballs produced from the same batch of meat as the one tested for equine DNA in the Czech Republic from stores in 13 countries across Europe, Magnusson said.

The horse-meat scandal that started in Ireland in mid- January has spread across Europe as retailers withdraw products such as frozen beef burgers, lasagnas and meat balls from the shelves. The European Union has ordered immediate testing across the region for equine DNA in beef products and the veterinary drug phenylbutazone in horse meat.

“The scandal has been a shock to the European food industry, which is coming to the end of the knee-jerk stage of the crisis” said Clive Black, an analyst at Shore Capital in Liverpool. “There may be a fundamental re-examination of supply chains by retailers and brand owners too.”

Ikea is now testing its meatballs again to validate the Czech findings and expects to have the results by the middle of this week, according to Magnusson. The company serves the product in its restaurants and also sells them to take away.

According to Ikea’s U.K. website, a meal of 10 Swedish meatballs in the restaurant costs 3.89 pounds ($5.88). A portion of 15 sells for 4.50 pounds and 20 for 5.79 pounds.
Nestle Action

Nestle SA (NESN), the world’s largest food company, said today it dropped Spanish supplier Servocar, after beef products were found to contain horse meat. That follows the Swiss company’s decision on Feb. 18 to withdraw beef ravioli and beef tortellini products and stop all deliveries of products with beef from H.J. Schypke, a subcontractor of Nestle supplier JBS Toledo NV.

In the U.K. two separate rounds of testing have so far found that the “overwhelming majority” of products tested contained no horse DNA, the Food Standards Agency said Feb. 22.
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#22350
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I am quite sure that all this has been done knowingly to display to the sheep that globalization is good for all of us as it brings down prices and promotes competition.

The reality is that the only time globalization can bring down prices is if the people who are producing at the other end of the world are slave labor and the meat being imported is anything but what it is advertized as!

As a suggestion to our forum members, if they want to be safe from eating anymore horse, cat, dog, crow, pigeon meat in the name of beef or chicken, they can try halal meat.
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samix wrote:
...As a suggestion to our forum members, if they want to be safe from eating anymore horse, cat, dog, crow, pigeon meat in the name of beef or chicken, they can try halal meat.


Is this a form of subtle, cultural indoctrination, Samix; or do you hold shares in a "Halal Meat" Corporation...???


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Jeff Nielson wrote:
Is this a form of subtle, cultural indoctrination, Samix; or do you hold shares in a "Halal Meat" Corporation...???



HAHA! no Jeff, no shares or indoctrination, but I know for a fact that the Muslims living in the west are very very peculiar about the meat that they are eating due to religious reasons. Infact you would not believe but even before this scandal broke out, I had heard Muslims personally in the west claiming that such mixing takes place and on the internet.

Muslims in the middle east are also peculiar about meat and they will not buy meat from Austrailia, New zealand and the likes because of the fear of false halal labeling unless there is no other option.
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In India, Pakistan and the sub-continent in general, Muslims will never buy frozen foods, frozen meat in that part of the world is considered as left over from yesterday, packaged, frozen and sold. In that part of the world you have local butcher shops, where they will slaughter the animal in front of your eyes and then sell them to you.

In India if the butcher even pre-prepares the mince, no one will buy that mince from him because they will suspect that it is leftover, fat and nerve waste from yesterday, they will demand that they make fresh mince with meat in front of their eyes.(lol)
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Jeff,

You and others have written about the breakdown of society/civilization that coincides with corruption at the top. The sheer magnitude of fraud by the banksters and governments really does lead to others figuring they don't need to observe laws or ethics.

Our economic system depends on trust and trustworthiness. When those at the top decided to exploit that trust, they began the destruction process. It's slowly devolving and falling apart.

Regarding horse meat: I suspect there are still more beef cattle in the world than horses available for slaughter. If too much is sold, the price will rise, and the whole sordid mess will subside.
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DayOwl wrote:


...Regarding horse meat: I suspect there are still more beef cattle in the world than horses available for slaughter. If too much is sold, the price will rise, and the whole sordid mess will subside.



Lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If nothing else, it can be good for laughs to look at these issues from novel perspectives.



Yes everyone, as DayOwl points out, there is no real "problem" here. Good, old supply-and-demand economics assures us that most of what we stuff in our craws (thinking it is "beef") will actually be beef.

We have "nothing to fear, but fear itself." So why not just bring this all out into the open? If the Oligarchs simply admitted what they were doing, the "scandal" would go away.

And in that (hypothetical) future, as we were driving past a McDonalds billboard proclaiming how many BILLIONS of its burgers it has sold we would see the following, proud statement:

McDonalds hamburgers: NEVER more than 10% horse meat


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I found this thread interesting. What is offensive to some is a delicacy to others.

In the Netherlands horse meat is a delicacy. It is more expensive than roast beef, I might add. I have never tried it, or at least not to my knowledge, since as a youngster we had horses on our hobby farm. Once a person bonds with a horse, how can one eat horse meat? I will never eat lamb for the same reason, while many people find lamb very tasty.



Regarding your second point, Jeff, people who find corporal punishment offensive have:
1. Never raised children or
2 their children were perfect .
With respect to number 2, I find that hard to believe.
Each child is different. A stern look will suffice with some children, while a sound spanking is what another needs. One of our sons used to climb on the electric stove and turn on the elements. Mothers might have eyes at the back of their head, so I told our children, but they can’t be everywhere at the same time. After countless warnings to no avail, I gave him a sound spanking, one that he would not soon forget. It was settled it.

Ironically we were discussing this incident just the other day. Although our son was too young to remember, our older children remember his climbing adventures clearly. Not one of the older children mentioned that I was a cruel parent. They understood, then and now, that the punishment needs to fit the “crime”.

Often a parent cannot win with these “do gooders”. If a parent spanks a child he/she is considered abusive, but if the child is severally hurt e.g in our case burnt, the parent is considered a negligent parent.

I am thankful I am not raising children today, as I understand the “child abuse police” are out in full force.
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