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Unarmed youth gunned-down by U.S. gun-nut 2 Years, 5 Months ago Karma: 262
This disgusting tragegy highlights MANY aspects of the U.S. social disease known as "gun rights".

1) Not only can hate-filled, unstable nut-jobs EASILY (and legally) buy a gun in the U.S.; not only can they (generally) purchase semi-automatic killing machines; but these walking time-bombs are allowed to CONCEAL their weapons in many U.S. states - so that their victims can't even SEE "death" approaching.

2) The INSANE, saturation crime-and-punishment propaganda which fills all U.S. news programming and much of its "entertainment" creates a TOTALLY warped view of the risks of crime (in general), and violent crime in particular.

The reality is that the incidence of violent crimes in the U.S. is hovering at multi-decade lows. SUBTRACT all of the unnecessary violence of the gun-nuts "protecting themselves" from (mythical) crime, and all the drug violence CAUSED by the U.S.'s (failed) War on Drugs, and there would be very little deadly violence in the U.S. - relative to the carnage of previous years.

So WHY are MORE Americans considering it necessary to "protect themselves" from LESS CRIME? You will never get an answer to that question from the gun-nuts.

In this latest atrocity, an apparently racist, paranoid, nut-job gunned-down an unarmed 17-year old black youth, returning from 7-11 with a pack of Skittles and an iced tea. This particular nut made been making WEEKLY calls to the police department for more than a year to report imaginary "crimes".

In this case, the gun-nut called police BEFORE be gunned-down the innocent boy to report his "suspicious behavior": he was BLACK and WALKING DOWN THE STREET. And for THAT he was EXECUTED.



You KNOW something terrible has happened when even Bloomberg (who NEVER sheds a tear for all the Palestinians assassinated by Israel) finds it necessary to decry this unnecessary violence...


"Trayvon Martin Shooting Shows Perils of Lax U.S. Gun Laws"

www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-20/trayvo...ax-u-s-gun-laws.html

The Justice Department opened an investigation this week into the killing of Trayvon Martin, a 17-year-old high school student who was shot dead on Feb. 26 in Sanford, Florida.

Martin was returning to the home of his father’s girlfriend from a 7-Eleven, armed with a package of Skittles and an iced tea, when he was killed. George Zimmerman -- a self-appointed neighborhood watch captain, according to news reports -- had called 911 and proceeded to follow Martin, even after the dispatcher advised him not to. Soon after, Zimmerman told police, he shot Martin.

Crime is a problem in the U.S. So are guns. According to the local police chief, Zimmerman, 28, had a permit for a concealed weapon, which is easily obtained in Florida. He also had a penchant for calling the police, having made 46 such calls in the past 13 months to report suspicious behavior. Based on news reports, it appears that Zimmerman believed he had much to fear from crime. As things turned out, Martin had much more to fear from Zimmerman’s gun.

Martin didn’t have a lot of protection from the law, either. Florida’s “Stand your Ground” law allows people to use deadly force -- even before an unarmed person -- provided they “reasonably believe” it’s necessary to defend themselves. It’s a shockingly low standard, but it’s not inconsistent with the highest law of the land.
Scalia’s Opinion

Writing for a bitterly divided Supreme Court in 2008, Justice Antonin Scalia brushed past the ambiguous language of the Second Amendment and the convoluted history of gun rights in the U.S. to establish or affirm (depending on your point of view) a right of individuals to own guns. Yet in his 5-4 opinion in District of Columbia v. Heller, even Scalia maintained that the right is not unlimited. “We do not read the Second Amendment to protect the right of citizens to carry arms for any sort of confrontation,” Scalia wrote.

The question, then, is what public policies are constitutionally justified to prevent the wrong “sort of confrontation”?

At present, it seems, not many. Since the Heller decision, which overturned Washington’s strict gun law, controls have been crumbling across the nation. In Oklahoma, lawmakers appear poised to enact an “open carry” law, allowing residents to display firearms in public. The National Rifle Association and other lobbyists for gun manufacturers are pushing for loaded guns to be allowed in college classrooms and dormitories. Legislation proposed in Congress would force states to allow holders of concealed weapons permits from other jurisdictions to carry guns where it’s otherwise illegal.
Dissolution of Order

A ruling this month in Maryland seems emblematic of the dissolution of order. U.S. District Judge Benson Everett Legg overturned a state law requiring that residents show a “good and substantial reason” to carry a gun on the grounds that such a standard was unconstitutional.

Activists are now insisting that race played a role in Martin’s death. Perhaps it did. (In a recording of Zimmerman’s 911 call, it sounds as if Zimmerman mutters a racial epithet.) On Tuesday, the state attorney’s office for Brevard and Seminole counties announced that a grand jury would investigate the shooting.

A racial motivation would push the case toward criminal terrain, and justly so. But racism is not the only way a mind can be distorted and its judgment impaired. There is nothing in Florida law, for example, to prevent people whose perceptions are distorted by fear from owning a gun -- or an arsenal of them -- and carrying a concealed and loaded weapon on the street.

This is one obvious flaw in the mad rush to arm America, which we hope statehouses, courts and Congress will belatedly factor into their thinking. Guns ever at the ready will be used, with tragic results.
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#16954
Re: Unarmed youth gunned-down by U.S. gun-nut 2 Years, 5 Months ago Karma: 17
Jeff Nielson wrote:
This disgusting tragegy highlights MANY aspects of the U.S. social disease known as "gun rights".


It's in our Bill of Rights.


The reality is that the incidence of violent crimes in the U.S. is hovering at multi-decade lows. SUBTRACT all of the unnecessary violence of the gun-nuts "protecting themselves" from (mythical) crime, and all the drug violence CAUSED by the U.S.'s (failed) War on Drugs, and there would be very little deadly violence in the U.S. - relative to the carnage of previous years.


Could be due to the fact that everyone is armed!?


So WHY are MORE Americans considering it necessary to "protect themselves" from LESS CRIME? You will never get an answer to that question from the gun-nuts.


Maybe they're concerned with "what's yet to come"?


In this latest atrocity, an apparently racist, paranoid, nut-job gunned-down an unarmed 17-year old black youth, returning from 7-11 with a pack of Skittles and an iced tea. This particular nut made been making WEEKLY calls to the police department for more than a year to report imaginary "crimes".


Yes, I completely agree here. Guy was apparently a racist.


You KNOW something terrible has happened when even Bloomberg (who NEVER sheds a tear for all the Palestinians assassinated by Israel) finds it necessary to decry this unnecessary violence...


Dude, you're falling into the same propaganda trap. The oligarchies most likely do not want us to own guns, hence the gun spin on this article when apparently the problem is prejudice and racism.


"Trayvon Martin Shooting Shows Perils of Lax U.S. Gun Laws"


Perfect example of our Oligarchy controlled media in the US.

Jeff, we'll just have to agree to disagree here. I respect your opinion on most topics but you're pretty much lockstep with the Oligarchies here.

Pistols/revolvers/easily concealed weapons, are inherently dangerous. Not sure those editing the Bill of Rights had those "arms" in mind?

Rifles/shotguns, not-easily-concealed weapons ARE PROTECTED IN OUR BILL OF RIGHTS (supposedly)...until some Executive Order comes down and they are all the sudden not.

Here's the bottom line now: There are too many guns (pistols & rifles) for the US to return to more of a "Canadian" form of gun control (except by Executive Order/confiscation...and THAT will not go over well with most Americans). Granted I do agree that our "easily purchasable" weapons are no match for the military's or other LEO's arsenal.

You know the old saying...make owning guns a crime and only criminals will have guns. Personally, I'm doing Dollar Cost Averaging with ammo as well.
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Samak, I understand that in a previous era that Americans (and others) could argue that they needed to be able to "protect themselves" - including from their own government.

However, as the Israelis demonstrate on a near weekly basis against the Palestinians, there isn't a weapon in existence which can "protect" anyone from a drone-missile. Simply, if our governments WANT us to be dead, we're dead.

As for protecting one's self from other members of society, we get into the same circular reasoning when it is suggested that gun sales be banned.

The gun-lovers complain that it won't stop "the criminals" from simply STEALING their own guns. Now here's the "$64,000 question" which no gun-lover can answer: if ordinary people couldn't OWN guns, and there weren't guns being SOLD on every street corner, WHERE would "the criminals" get THEIR guns???

The "criminals" get ALL their own weapons FROM the gun-lovers...except when the criminals can LEGALLY buy their own. LOL!!

So the more that ordinary people seek to "protect themselves", the more they arm the CRIMINALS...


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Jeff Nielson wrote:

As for protecting one's self from other members of society, we get into the same circular reasoning when it is suggested that gun sales be banned.

The gun-lovers complain that it won't stop "the criminals" from simply STEALING their own guns. Now here's the "$64,000 question" which no gun-lover can answer: if ordinary people couldn't OWN guns, and there weren't guns being SOLD on every street corner, WHERE would "the criminals" get THEIR guns???


That's an easy question, why the CIA of course...isn't that one of the things they do (busted for it a while back)?
Hum the song..."it's too late"...

NRA/gun lobby, big money selling guns (and arms around the world, eh)? I think there are bigger fish to fry than hunters or the guy who likes to go plink his pistol on weekends. I do not have a concealed carry permit just for the simple reason that I don't want my name on the "scrolls". Plus I have 1000s of km. of public land out my back door to go shoot all I want.

Americans are simply inherently paranoid. Probably due to our Imperialistic Foreign Policy for the past umpteen decades...plus of course the propaganda in our media reminding us the "boogie man" is out to get us...who will it be next?
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Samak, I would be a lot less horrified by this if it weren't for the TRULY wacko states which allow people to carry concealed weapons.

If gun-lovers want to strut down the street VISIBLY packing their firearms (like they're heading to the OK Corral), at least that would give the innocent a fighting chance to avoid the carnage. But not only does this ignore the well-being of the innocent, the last thing that a "paranoid" people need to be worrying about is whether the guy next to them has a hand-gun hidden under his clothing.
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NBC caught spreading HATE over shooting 2 Years, 4 Months ago Karma: 262
I haven't done any follow-ups on this story recently, because there didn't seem anything CONCLUSIVE to support my original theme: that this was another "divide and conquer" issue which the propaganda machine was USING to deliberately inflame racial tensions. And then THIS came out: a Reuters article showing how NBC "selectively edited" the 911-call made by the shooter to make him appear to be even MORE of a racist wacko.

There was no need to selectively edit the call (and not ADMIT that it had been edited), since the FACTS of this outrageous incident provided all the evidence needed to conclude that this was a racially-motivated killing by an unstable gun-nut.

What NBC did was simply to create the MAXIMUM amount of racial outrage, and thus create the MAXIMUM amount of divisiveness in U.S. society.


We see this ALL of the time DEMONIZE any/every group not directly associated with the government cabal. Demonize blacks to whites. Demonize whites to blacks. Demonize Muslims to Christians. Demonize union members. Demonize government workers. Demonize "deadbeat homeowners". And so on, and so on, and so on.

Learn to recognize this divide-and-conquer propaganda. Do NOT allow these hate-mongers to turn you AGAINST your neighbours (regardless of what LABEL the media uses to demonize them).

Ironically, the conduct of these GOVERNMENT-CONTROLLED hate-mongers is very similar to the conduct of the so-called "anarchists" (whom they ALSO demonize). Such activities only DESTROY. However, unlike the Anarchists (who seek to destroy Fascist institutions), our GOVERNMENT anarchists are attempting to destroy our entire social fabric - in order to make it easier to ENSLAVE US...


"Trayvon Martin call was "mistake, not deliberate": NBC"

www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/08/us-us...dUSBRE83609U20120408

(Reuters) - NBC News' decision to air an edited call from George Zimmerman to police in the moments before he shot Trayvon Martin was "a mistake and not a deliberate act to misrepresent the phone call," according to the president of the network's news division.

The edit in question, which aired on the network's flagship "Today" morning show last week, made it appear that Zimmerman told police that Martin was black without being prompted, when, in fact, the full tape reveals that the neighborhood watch captain only did so when responding to a question posed by a dispatcher.

Under growing public pressure to explain the incident, NBC News President Steve Capus provided Reuters with the fullest explanation to date of how the edited call made it on air and what the network is doing to prevent such a consequential error from happening again.

Capus confirmed a previous Reuters report that an internal network investigation had determined that a producer made the editing error, and that the network's editorial controls - including senior broadcast producer oversight, script editors and often legal and standards department reviews of sensitive material to be broadcast - simply missed the selective editing of the phone call.

Two sources at the network told Reuters the Miami-based producer of the segment had been fired on Thursday.

Capus said "several people" involved were disciplined, though he declined to specify the nature of the disciplinary actions, saying they were internal personnel matters.

Sources at the network told Reuters on Thursday that NBC News executives did not know the emergency call was misleadingly edited until news reports surfaced days later on blogs including newsbusters.org and Breitbart.com.

Those blogs, along with media critics and rival networks, have charged that the edited call has inflamed racial tensions in an already volatile situation.

Sources inside the network have told Reuters that NBC News brass interviewed more than a dozen staffers during its investigation of the matter.

As part of the investigation, the producer who edited the call was questioned extensively about motivation, and it was determined that the person had cut the video clip down to meet a maximum time requirement for the length of the segment - a common pressure in morning television - and inadvertently edited the call in a way that proved misleading.

NBC News has apologized for the incident, saying in a statement to Reuters earlier this week that there was "an editing error in the production process," but insisting the results of the internal investigation would not be announced publicly.

Capus said that the network "takes its responsibility seriously" and has undertaken rigorous efforts to formalize the editorial safeguards in place at the network. He said that NBC News' broadcast standards department, led by David McCormick, has been holding meetings with various NBC News shows, as well as the network's specialized units, which handle sometimes complicated subjects like medical or legal news.

Capus added that he also is holding meetings among the network executives to reinforce the lessons learned from the investigation into the edited call.

SHARPTON CONTROVERSY

Capus has also worked in recent days to quell both external and internal criticism over the network's coverage of the highly charged news story - most of it focused on the central role that civil rights activist and MSNBC talk show host Reverend Al Sharpton has played in the case.

Sharpton, who hosts MSNBC's "Politics Daily" and offers regular commentary on the case, has also served as an advocate for the Martin family by leading rallies demanding Zimmerman's arrest, appearing beside Martin's anguished parents, and conducting closed door meetings with prosecutors and local officials on the Martin family's behalf. A call to Sharpton for comment Saturday was not returned.

Externally, media critics including Howard Kurtz, host of CNN's "Reliable Sources" and a columnist for The Daily Beast, have criticized the network for allowing Sharpton to play a dual role as both activist and commentator.

"Even commentators have to abide by certain rules," Kurtz wrote last month. "And in this case, by playing both sides of the camera, Rev. Al has obliterated them."

Internally, some NBC news staffers have complained that Sharpton's unique role in the case has compounded the damage to NBC News' reputation that the edited tape caused, and contributed to an impression among its critics that the network as a whole is biased against Zimmerman, according to sources. Capus refuted that claim.

"Reverend Sharpton is a talk show host on MSNBC," Capus said. "We believe there's a distinction between the role he plays and our front line journalists who are part of NBC's news gathering and reporting. This is a large news organization that has many people involved in any number of different aspects of coverage and commentary. That's the distinction we've made as a news organization."

MSNBC chief executive Phil Griffin has defended Sharpton's dual role as well, saying that as long as the longtime civil rights activist is upfront about his advocacy activity, he would be allowed on a "case by case basis" to both participate in and comment for MSNBC on issues and stories that interest him. Griffin has credited Sharpton with turning the Martin case into a national news story.

NBC is owned by NBC Universal, a unit of Comcast Corp.
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