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#21733
Micheal Scheuer thread 1 Year, 2 Months ago Karma: 168
Another very good listen by Scheuer on Osama, America, Arab Spring, Islamists, Sharia and Israel. Discount the title of the video, it is all geopolitical.

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Re: Micheal Scheuer thread 1 Year, 2 Months ago Karma: 255
Samix, I'm finding difficulty in seeing any way to connect this clip to the real world, because it's yet another (absurd) upside-down portrayal of the absurd/phony "War on Terror".

In Scheuer's fantasy-world; (Muslim) "terrorism" is spreading -- rapidly -- despite the best-efforts of the U.S. war machine to "slow" this spread. Meanwhile back in the REAL world; it is an unequivocal fact of History that the best way to cause terrorism to spread is to attack it with military force -- as opposed to the traditional/successful method of treating this as a "policing" matter, where (ineffective) brute-force military tactics are NOT used.

In Scheuer's fantasy-world; Osama Bin Laden was an "incredible terrorist master-mind" -- who practically single-handedly over-matched the efforts of "the World's Only Superpower."

In the real world; the Bin Laden clan and the Bush clan have been best-friends for GENERATIONS. The "Mujahadeen" (predecessor of Al Qaeda) was armed and trained by the CIA to (originally) fight the Soviet Union in Afghanistan -- when George Bush (Senior) was running the CIA.

Obviously the much more RATIONAL interpretation of events (especially knowing that 9/11 itself was a totally staged event) is that Osame Bin Laden NEVER ceased to be on the payroll of the U.S. government (and/or the Bush clan) -- and he received the usual "severance package" given to such U.S. operatives: assassination.

Just ask the Special Forces Unit which (supposedly) kille Bin Laden...oh wait, you can't ask them -- because they're dead too...
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Re: Micheal Scheuer thread 1 Year, 2 Months ago Karma: 168
Jeff, I am wondering nowadays, after listening to scheuer and reading one of his books imperial hubris, then looking at the Muslim world and what I know and connecting dots. I am wondering how much of what we think about the whole "war on terror" has been misinformation or black ops. Certainly I do not agree to all that scheuer has to say, especially, but I think that he is spot on on his analysis of the Arab spring movement.
Just ask the Special Forces Unit which (supposedly) kille Bin Laden...oh wait, you can't ask them -- because they're dead too...
LOL! true!

Lastly coming from the CIA itself, I am also skeptical how true a source is he(lol)
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Re: Micheal Scheuer thread 1 Year, 2 Months ago Karma: 168
He is also right about the way Democracy is seen by the Muslims, Muslims do not want a secular democratic system, they want a Caliphate system with the implementation of the Islamic Sharia.

He is also right about the people that MSM in the west potrays as ideal Muslims, If you are do take a cursory look at any of the Islamic forums these people are distrusted and considered outsiders.
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Re: Micheal Scheuer thread 1 Year, 2 Months ago Karma: 255
samix wrote:
He is also right about the way Democracy is seen by the Muslims, Muslims do not want a secular democratic system, they want a Caliphate system with the implementation of the Islamic Sharia.

He is also right about the people that MSM in the west potrays as ideal Muslims, If you are do take a cursory look at any of the Islamic forums these people are distrusted and considered outsiders.



Obviously that's where I'm at a disadvantage: in not being able to gauge the accuracy of his comments on the Muslim world.



With respect to Muslims "not wanting Democracy"; two points:

1) The simplistic (and highly corrupt) model of "democracy" we have in place today is hardly some "high ideal" as a form of government (lol!)

2) Having been attacked by "Western democracies" for decades, I think it's quite natural for Muslims to have extreme distrust of this LABEL.

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Re: Micheal Scheuer thread 1 Year, 2 Months ago Karma: 168
With respect to Muslims "not wanting Democracy"; two points:

1) The simplistic (and highly corrupt) model of "democracy" we have in place today is hardly some "high ideal" as a form of government (lol!)

2) Having been attacked by "Western democracies" for decades, I think it's quite natural for Muslims to have extreme distrust of this LABEL.

The system that west has is Liberal Secularism, and the process through which the leaders that are to lead the system are selected is democracy.

The system under Islam is the Sharia and the process through which the leader is selected to lead the system is called shura.

Under the Sharia system, the leader cannot make laws that overturn, limit, abrogate, change or obfuscate the laws that have been set by Allah in the Quran and the traditions of the Prophet, may peace and blessings be upon him. This is to prevent the people in power from legislating laws that are in their favor. Basically to stop what has happened to the American constitution, to stop it from becoming a A living document.

We have a choice in how we want to conduct the Shura and who can be part of it, but, we do not have a choice in the implementation of the Sharia as a system. Anyone in the Muslim world who calls for anything other than the Sharia system is automatically considered out of the fold of Islam.
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Under the Sharia system, the leader cannot make laws that overturn, limit, abrogate, change or obfuscate the laws that have been set by Allah in the Quran and the traditions of the Prophet, may peace and blessings be upon him. This is to prevent the people in power from legislating laws that are in their favor. Basically to stop what has happened to the American constitution, to stop it from becoming a A living document.
If any Caliph does such a thing then the people have a right to revolt against him and select a new one in his place, but unless he does not do the above and implements the sharia as is, then he is to be supported. In my opinion this is much more better, because the only reason a person should be removed from his position of power is if he is incompetent, not because his term is over.

This term thing seems to be a hedge against having a good leader in the driving seat for a long time, just in case the people elect a good man, the oligarchs can be sure that once his term is over they will be able to remove him and continue with their stealing.
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Re: Micheal Scheuer thread 1 Year, 2 Months ago Karma: 255
Samix, while I have no philosophical/logical objections to what you discuss (in terms of specifics); as always, I find it less-than-helpful to simplify such discussions through the use of LABELS.

To begin with, you use the label of "liberal secularism" to describe Western government, as opposed to the more typical label of "representative democracies". Obviously referring to our Fascist crime syndicates as "representative democracies" is absurd, since there is LITTLE about our governments which is either "representative" OR "democratic".



However, referring to these bastardized regimes as representing "liberal secularism" is just an nonsensical. There is NOTHING (at all) which is "liberal" about our Fascist regimes. Indeed, the words "liberal" and "fascist" are virtual opposites.

Beyond that, we have entire LEGIONS of brainwashed drones (especially in the U.S.) who are programmed for an INSTANT (and very powerful) hate/fear reaction every time they SEE the word "liberal". The only worse word you could have chosen (from the standpoint of producing an emotional reaction) would have been to call our governments "socialist" (as is done with all the New World Order propaganda).



But I have EQUAL problems with your use of the label "Sharia Law" -- and for similar reasons. LEGIONS of drones have been programmed to have an even GREATER hate/fear reaction to the use of the phrase "Sharia Law". Thus it wouldn't matter (hypothetically) if Sharia Law guaranteed some sort of Perfect Utopia for all of humanity, as long as you call it "Sharia Law" you guarantee that it will never gain traction (with Western viewers).

This is why I have insisted from Day One that we avoid any/all ideological jargon, and stick to specific/individual facts, issues, and subjects. The objection is that the use of labels "simplifies" conversation -- by representing complex concepts with single, individual symbols.

This is a fatal myth/flaw in logic. The reason? Because these (complex) labels never mean exactly the same thing to any two people. So rather than streamlining/simplifying our dialogues, what the use of labels (and ideology) really does is to totally sabotage the communication process -- making the exchange of specific ideas (the basis of communication) impossible.

It takes more TIME to discuss our world on an issue-by-issue basis. But what people have to realize is that there is no such thing as a "short-cut" when it comes to communication. Yes, it IS possible to be succinct. But the use of labels and ideology is (practically) NEVER "succinct" -- only VAGUE.

The one exception (that I know of)? "Fascism."

What makes Fascism the exception? It's not a label which represents a "complex" system. Instead, it is nothing more than when Government and Big Business form a CRIME SYNDICATE to loot their own population (and likely their Neighbours too).

And thanks to our highly-corrupt, 21st century societies; we ALL know what a "crime syndicate" is...

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Re: Micheal Scheuer thread 1 Year, 2 Months ago Karma: 255
Brian Boutilier wrote:
Muslim and Christianity have different roots, for (in my opinion) different soul groups. They way of life generated was specific for the race it was intended for. To inflict a muslim with a Christian ethos, vice versa seems to be the heart of the problem. Why must one be right and the other wrong. What's wrong with specificity? We live in fear of each others model, and way of life spreading, and the risk of it wiping out our own more familiar paradigm. Ideally we should Co-Exist without inflicting our way of life on the other. Evidently we are not mature enough as a whole to do this, while each idividual seems to have to ability to be more discerning.


Brian, your reply to Samix's posts helps to emphasize the point I was making just prior. Your reaction to his comments (and labels) was to move the discussion into a PURELY theoretical/philosophical foundation.

Here I'm not meaning to be critical in any way, since no one enjoys a purely "philosophical" discussion/debate any more than myself (lol). However, debating abstract philosophical concepts doesn't bring us CLOSER to solving our (enormous) real-world problems -- but rather it takes us further away.

On the one hand, people who enjoy/appreciate such philosophical discussions could generally continue on with such dialogues to the end of ETERNITY (lol!!!). And on the other hand, 90% of the population simply isn't up to such rigorous mental exercises. All THEY end up getting out of such discussions are the SILLY SOUND-BITES which the mainstream media drills into their heads through saturation-brainwashing.

Thus (for those who enjoy them) philosophical discussions are a great form of exercise in which to indulge privately. However, for our own purposes here on the Forum; we would be MUCH better served through focusing discussions toward SPECIFCS -- and away from all labels/ideology -- since for even most of our own audience the use of such terminology is a counter-productive distraction.


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#21782
Re: Micheal Scheuer thread 1 Year, 2 Months ago Karma: 168
To begin with, you use the label of "liberal secularism" to describe Western government, as opposed to the more typical label of "representative democracies". Obviously referring to our Fascist crime syndicates as "representative democracies" is absurd, since there is LITTLE about our governments which is either "representative" OR "democratic".
LOL! yes Jeff, I was just speaking "in principle"
But I have EQUAL problems with your use of the label "Sharia Law" -- and for similar reasons. LEGIONS of drones have been programmed to have an even GREATER hate/fear reaction to the use of the phrase "Sharia Law".
I would like to add a point here, Sharia law is not applicable to non Muslims, it is only applicable to Muslims. Except for maybe some foreign policy clauses, apart from that non-muslims in a sharia state are free to conduct themselves with any law they choose.
This is why I have insisted from Day One that we avoid any/all ideological jargon, and stick to specific/individual facts, issues, and subjects. The objection is that the use of labels "simplifies" conversation -- by representing complex concepts with single, individual symbols.
I agree, I was just trying to give an overview why the western system of governance or the perverted form of democracy that we see in the west will not be accepted by Muslims, because it runs counter to being a Muslim in the first place(lol)
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