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Re: Market Pessimism Report..... 1 Year, 5 Months ago Karma: 124
This is a very interesting and beneficial thread.

Thanks, agau121, Jeff, and arihalli for your contributions.

I look forward to seeing which commentaries you recommend, Jeff. I have read many of them, but I expect not all as I took a helter skelter approach.

I am sure it would be a good idea for me to return to those which you find would be most beneficial. You explanation, in laymen’s' terms, on the how the futures market works was very helpful.
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agau121 wrote:
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...Based on what you perceive to be my blind spots and the flaws in my reasoning, will you suggest some commentaries for me to read and an order in which to read them?...


AgAu, let me preface my reply with a couple of quick observations. No one said anything about "blind spots". And I didn't "perceive" a flaw in your reasoning; I identified and described it. You do sound a little sensitive here.

This is a Forum.



I don't go around "roughing people up" here (lol), but I also make no effort to mince words. There is no "20 questions" approach you can take which is going to dramatically speed up the learning curve here.

As for providing a (specific) reading list -- ordered no less -- how do I know all that you know/do not know? Fear not, however; for we have a (general) starting point for all such inquiries.

The Education Vault

We haven't added any materials here for quite some time, as this was drawn from my earlier commentaries. Beyond that, I'm sure everyone here could do a much better job choosing their own (supplemental) "reading list" than I could do for them.

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" This is why I'm expecting something dramatic, with this current attack being preemptive." - Jeff

Jeff, what would 'dramatic' look like?

I have been reading for the past year or longer that Califonia cities and the capitol of Pa (Harrisburg) have been going bankrupt. My thoughts were that dramatic amounts of $$$ would have to be created to sustain jobs nationally and the solvency of states like Illinois. But instead, there is even talk of growth (perplexing because i believe the latest figure was 1.3%). And, of course, there is qmonthly talk of a rebound in housing that will lead the charge.

I think that its inevitable that our debt will reach 20tr before long. Whats worse - they won't even be able to fudge the employment reports as so many people will be on unemployment and food stamps.

So...when you say 'dramatic' --- do you think that its being choreographed another 'disaster' like 2008 setting in which the gov't will NEED to TARP assist the county? To perpetuate the illusion of economic 'stability'?
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arihalli wrote:
" This is why I'm expecting something dramatic, with this current attack being preemptive." - Jeff

Jeff, what would 'dramatic' look like?

I have been reading for the past year or longer that Califonia cities and the capitol of Pa (Harrisburg) have been going bankrupt. My thoughts were that dramatic amounts of $$$ would have to be created to sustain jobs nationally and the solvency of states like Illinois. But instead, there is even talk of growth (perplexing because i believe the latest figure was 1.3%). And, of course, there is qmonthly talk of a rebound in housing that will lead the charge.

I think that its inevitable that our debt will reach 20tr before long. Whats worse - they won't even be able to fudge the employment reports as so many people will be on unemployment and food stamps.

So...when you say 'dramatic' --- do you think that its being choreographed another 'disaster' like 2008 setting in which the gov't will NEED to TARP assist the county? To perpetuate the illusion of economic 'stability'?



Arihalli, the problem here is that we are dealing with governments which stage false-flag attacks just to manufacture imaginary enemies. Who overthrow other governments either to reward their Oligarch masters, or just to create some propaganda distraction.

And we're dealing with bankers who will "crash" our economies or bankrupt entire nations just because there is a "profit" to be made. And these are just the things we know about.

Delve deeper into the Forum on the things which might be happening; and then when you ask the question "what might 'dramatic' look like?"

My reply is:

what can you imagine???



P.S. Regarding your point about local U.S. governments (and soon state governments) collapsing into bankruptcy, obviously the strategy here has been nothing more than stall for time.

"Stall" for what? Everything I see points to the bankers/politicians just trying to hold things together with duct-tape...until things can't be propped-up any longer. Very obviously we are being set up for some kind of bubble-bursting or domino-toppling scenario.
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arihalli, let me start by saying I am absolutely, positively NO expert here , but I have done extensive reading since early 2011 regarding the impending crisis we are presently facing, so I thought I would weigh in re your comments.

Arihalli wrote,
I think that its inevitable that our debt will reach 20tr before long. Whats worse - they won't even be able to fudge the employment reports as so many people will be on unemployment and food stamps.

Perhaps you never meant the underlined phrase (my emphasis) to be understood as I perceived it to be, but I personally think it important that governments should NEVER "fudge" any numbers, as these figures are intended to reveal the economic status of a nation or jurisdiction. It is vital, specifically y at a time such as this that people know the truth about their situation, so wherever possible they can prepare for the inevitable. The corruption and unabashed lies is rampant. I find it repulsive that gov't lie to their people only to retain or gain power. They care none for the well-being of their people, nor does it concern them that they will inflict untold suffering on the most defenceless within society.

My husband told me last evening that his co-worker said gold CANNOT go to $3500., as pointed out by Jim Sinclair. The explanation given was, if gold did reach these heights the whole system would collapse. My initial thought was, if the system collapses it is not the fault of gold, but rather the system WILL collapse and that is why gold will reach those prices. Jim Sinclair stands by his statement that gold will go to $3500 and beyond. He said these plummeting prices will be history by his birthday on March 27th. Time will tell if Mr. Sinclair is correct, but he is not new to this, as you and I are, he has been in the “business” for well over 40 years.
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This is just speculation, just an initial thought. Given that there has been an upsurge in the news stories about cyber attacks, something that George Orwell probably was unable to imagine, I would not be surprise to see the a new "crisis" emerge that involves "cyber war," real or imagined, staged or simply capitalized upon. Being as this has never been capitalized upon, it seems possible that it could be leveraged for maximum effect if the propaganda connected to it is managed skillfully. It could also be coordinated with some more traditional crisis as part of a full course meal of mass brainwashing somewhat similar to 911. However, because Mr. Obama is supposed to be the kinder, gentler counterbalance to big old mean and paranoid Mr. Bush, I suspect the rhetoric will contain more carrots and less sticks. Again, I'm just speculating, just thinking out loud.


"ATTENTION! YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE! A newsflash has just arrived. Here is the newsflash: Oceania has suffered a devastating cyber attack. Forces are being mobilized to protect the nation against this pervasive and growing threat. Until further notice there is a mandatory suspension of all...All citizens will be required...Legislation has been drafted to...We will not stop until...We will take precautions to..."
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Perhaps you are correct, AGAU121,
This is just speculation, just an initial thought. Given that there has been an upsurge in the news stories about cyber attacks, something that George Orwell probably was unable to imagine, I would not be surprise to see the a new "crisis" emerge that involves "cyber war," real or imagined, staged or simply capitalized upon

Obama seems to think Americans need to be protected from the "bully"

Consider the thread on BBC
www.bullionbullscanada.com/bulletin-boar...acker-in-chief-obama

and the article from Reuters news
www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/13/us-ob...dUSBRE91C03G20130213
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My sense is that the average American never stops to think about how long the cycle is in a propaganda campaign. These sorts of news stories are released over an extended period of time so that they become part of the environment and are thus taken for granted before they have to be acted upon.
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debsyl wrote:


...My husband told me last evening that his co-worker said gold CANNOT go to $3500., as pointed out by Jim Sinclair. The explanation given was, if gold did reach these heights the whole system would collapse. My initial thought was, if the system collapses it is not the fault of gold, but rather the system WILL collapse and that is why gold will reach those prices. Jim Sinclair stands by his statement that gold will go to $3500 and beyond. He said these plummeting prices will be history by his birthday on March 27th. Time will tell if Mr. Sinclair is correct, but he is not new to this, as you and I are, he has been in the “business” for well over 40 years.



Debsyl, this sort of upside-down, anti-logic is precisely what cripples the thinking processes of the Sheep.

"The System can't collapse; and so therefore gold could never go to $3500..."
[Let alone 10/100/1,000 times that nominal number]



It's the idiotic Assumption of Normalcy which has been discussed here before. If tomorrow isn't exactly like today, then it must be like yesterday.



The brainwashed, apathetic Drones in our society are literally incapable of the independent thinking necessary to reach the following the position:

The System must collapse (as a proposition of simple arithmetic); and therefore it is inevitable that gold will hit the nominal $3500/oz-level..."
[Along the way to much higher numbers.]

Try to engage in a discussion about "the worst ever..." of anything; and the minds of the (brainwashed) Drones are not even capable of contemplating what you are discussing. For them "the worst ever" means either what happened today, or what happened yesterday.

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agau121 wrote:
My sense is that the average American never stops to think about how long the cycle is in a propaganda campaign. These sorts of news stories are released over an extended period of time so that they become part of the environment and are thus taken for granted before they have to be acted upon.


More emphatically, this is part of the sound-bite mentality being deliberately cultivated throughout the Oligarchs' empire.

It's nearly impossible to lie to people about The Big Picture if that population possesss any sort of PERSPECTIVE with which to evaluate such lies. Thus we are exclusively fed short-term factoids (i.e. trivia) -- to accomplish two objectives.

1) Make sure (virtually) none of the Sheep ever see The Big Picture. Succeed with this and you can engage in the most outrageous lies (as we have seen) with virtual impunity.

2) This further reinforces the (idiot's) Assumption of Normalcy. If you never, ever discuss anything except what happened today and what happened yesterday; it's not hard to get the Sheep to accept the delusion that every "tomorrow" must either be like yesterday or today.

As a tertiary agenda, if no one remembers (actual) History; then the Revisionists can rewrite anything they want into the so-called "history books"...

(see "The Silver Stealers")
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