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There have been two trends in precious metals markets in recent weeks which I find very alarming. On the one hand, we see the large “shorts” (JP Morgan and HSBC) in the bullion market ratcheting-up their short positions again.

Understand that these short positions are tremendously underwater, and once the 100:1 paper-leverage of these financial terrorists is factored in, their short positions already represent large enough losses to ensure the bankruptcy of both of these vampires. Thus the fact that these ‘life-threatening’ short positions are increasing (and being allowed to increase) tells us two things.

First, it is confirmation that the hopelessly corrupt U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission is simply going to defy the law, which requires these banker-slaves to institute “position limits” against the very Oligarchs they have dedicated their careers to serving. It is also apparent that JP Morgan and HSBC are now openly charging toward their own bullion-Armageddon: default events in the silver market (and possibly the gold market as well) which would lead to their financial annihilation – in the absence of any government intervention.

Obviously the key phrase in that paragraph is “in the absence of government intervention”. I will return to that point later.

The other recent trend which I find equally disturbing is the sudden explosion of rhetorical rants on the internet, which specifically revolve around the battle-cry of “taking down JP Morgan” or even the entire U.S. financial system. As a silver bull, there are many reasons for me to be dismayed by this rabid and incessant rhetoric.

For one thing, it adds nothing to the “debate” about silver manipulation, nor does it do anything to inform investors – most especially the new investors streaming into this sector. Indeed, the emotional excesses of these writers are likely only to frighten new arrivals to this sector, who were looking for an “investment”, not a “war”.

In addition, this totally misrepresents how and why the original investors came to this sector: it was not to “attack” the rapacious U.S. Banker Oligarchs, it was to protect ourselves from them. Silver isn’t  (to use the term coined by Warren Buffet) a “financial weapon of mass destruction”, like the $1.5 quadrillion paper time-bomb which these Oligarchs have created in their derivatives market. It is a “suit of armor” – to make us invulnerable to banker blood-sucking.

Thus the rabid-ranters are in no way representative of the vast majority of silver investors. The bankers are doing a perfectly fine job of destroying themselves – and they need no “assistance” from us to finish their greed-induced suicide. In fact, I am convinced that most of these “mouths that roar” are in fact paid tools of the bankers, performing an invaluable service for them: demonizing silver investors in the eyes of the (ignorant) general public.

Readers must realize that among any even semi-informed individuals, “precious metals manipulation” no longer represents a “question mark”. It is an obvious reality, which has been documented by many (including myself). It includes not only obvious statistical evidence of manipulation, but a plethora of confessions from various “insiders”, and (somewhat more recently) a bona fide “whistleblower” (Andrew Maguire) with decades of experience in bullion-trading. However, with respect to the general public (i.e. the sheep) “manipulation” represents just another “conspiracy theory” – which the sheep have been carefully programmed to automatically ignore.

This last fact is of utmost importance to the Banker Oligarchs, because as long as the sheep remain oblivious to the decades of banker-manipulation in the precious metals markets, they remain receptive to more banker lies. The new lies of the bankers are now fully visible to any who are watching for them.

According to banker-lies, it is not the decades of their excessive shorting which has destroyed inventories in these markets, but rather the “hoarding” by “speculators”. In fact, I wrote an entire commentary on this specific topic (“Commodities: Hoarding Versus Shorting”) where I demonstrated conclusively (in simple, economic terms) how “hoarding” is a virtuous form of behavior which repairs markets, while shorting is always and only a destructive influence.

In the real world, “hoarders” are generally given a different name: conservationists. Indeed, we can easily separate the two forms of behavior (in conceptual terms) by simply choosing a different context. Given that the above-ground stockpiles of silver have been destroyed by nearly three decades of excessive banker-shorting (and other acts of manipulation which precede that shorting), the obvious context to use for this example would be the “endangered species” (i.e. African elephants).

The hoarders (or “conservationists”) collect and protect the elephants, and if their actions are not interfered with, they can replenish the size of the “herd” over time. The shorters (or “poachers”) on the other hand, are exclusively concerned with reducing the numbers of elephants – just as they have done in causing global silver stockpiles to shrink from 6 billion ounces to only a few, hundred million. Note that the “hoarding of silver” did not begin until after banker-shorting had already reduced global stockpiles and inventories by 90%, which is another obvious parallel between “conservationists” and silver-buyers.

Thus not only do we have an irrefutable theoretical argument that shorting “destroys” while hoarding “preserves”, we have overwhelming empirical evidence which demonstrates precisely the same point. With no truth available to the bankers to use in directing the actions of their servants in government, the bankers are resorting to lies: both ordinary propaganda, and their newer tool, disinformation.

The “ordinary propaganda” takes the form of what I have just discussed: attempts to demonize silver-buyers by continuing to attach simplistic, but emotionally-charged labels to them: “speculators” and “hoarders”. Note that the propaganda-machine has actually been demonizing “hoarders” for several years – everything from incessant “news” items to reality-TV shows. Meanwhile one talking-head after another another claims that it is “speculators” who are driving up commodities prices – and not the hyperinflationary money-printing of Ben Bernanke. This is not an accident.

Programmed to view “hoarders” in a strongly negative manner, the sheep are now “primed” to receive their disinformation: the rabid-ranters “threatening the destruction” of the U.S. financial system. Having already been programmed to view hoarders/speculators in a negative manner, the bankers are now producing their own “anti-bank hate literature”  for the specific purpose of attempting to brand all silver-buyers as “economic terrorists” in the eyes of the sheep.

Understand that not all of the rabid-ranters are simply paid stooges hired by the bankers. Some of these people are sincere, and ultimately decent individuals. Clearly there is no “terrorism” involved in wanting to put an end to the existence of the financial vampires who have been preying upon us for generations. There is also nothing improper about wanting to see these individuals “punished”. Since the hopelessly-corrupt U.S. “justice system” will never punish the banksters for their crimes-against-humanity, and since these individuals exist for the sole purpose of worshiping their own money, it is hardly surprising that the rabid-ranters see the financial destruction of these entities to be a “suitable punishment”.

The problem is that even the sincere individuals among the rabid-ranters now serve the bankers. At this point, I would hope that the strategy of the Wall Street Oligarchs is obvious to readers. With their own outrageous shorting rapidly bringing the silver market (and likely the gold market, as well) to the point of outright default – and their own bankruptcy – we are about to hear more whining from these predators about being “too big to fail”. This will be coupled with any and every “rant” they can collect on the internet to show their political servants how the “evil speculators” are the “cause of all the problems” in the silver market.

The bankers will lie, and say it was five years of “hoarding” and not thirty years of “shorting” which have destroyed silver inventories. After convincing their ignorant stooges in Washington of that point, the rest is “child’s play”. The bankers will point to the “take-down the U.S. financial system” rhetoric of the ranters as a “terrorist threat” to the United States. They will tell their servants in Washington that something must be done to halt these “terrorists”. Of course the only “something” which would save the bankers and “thwart the terrorists” is silver confiscation (the “government intervention” to which I referred at the beginning of this piece).

Having presented the detailed “game plan” of the banksters to readers, hopefully I can now persuade readers to stop yourselves from also being pawns in this disinformation-campaign. Either ignore the rabid-ranters, or (better yet) write comments to their pieces explicitly stating that you are a “silver investor” not an “economic terrorist”, and that your goal is not “the destruction of the U.S. financial system” but simply saving yourself from the consequences of the “financial destruction” which was created and inflicted upon us exclusively by bankers.

Know that “silver confiscation” (at least inside the United States) is now a foregone conclusion. This leaves us silver-buyers with several tasks in the weeks/months ahead. As I just stated, part of that “mission” involves denouncing and separating ourselves from the rabid-ranters – to weaken and hopefully destroy the banker-illusion that conserving the tiny, remaining silver inventories is supposedly some form of “economic terrorism”.

For silver-buyers inside the U.S. (and for those buyers outside the U.S. who also have little trust in their government), there are other measures we can and must take. Obviously the sheep have been  steered into “bullion funds” and “bullion accounts” by the financial community for one very good reason: it takes nothing more than a few mouse-clicks to confiscate any/every ounce of silver (and gold) held in those funds. Thus anyone with a bullion “fund” or “account” with that bullion stored inside the U.S. should immediately liquidate all such holdings.

The proceeds from the sale of those units should (naturally) immediately be used to replace your “paper bullion” with real “physical” bullion in your own custody. Thanks to “The Patriot Act”, U.S. safety-deposit boxes are no longer safe. They will obviously be the second stage of any bullion-confiscation campaign inside the U.S. This means that U.S. residents must find a personal means of storing/protecting their bullion, as the time, effort and “political damage” which would result from sending government thugs to “bust down doors” and loot the bullion of individual citizens is hopefully a price that even the U.S.’s two-party dictatorship is unwilling to pay.

Dwindling Comex inventories have meant that “silver default” can now only be postponed by buying-off silver traders with cash bribes, since there is not nearly enough silver to satisfy “delivery” for these purchases. Along with the sudden and exponential increase in anti-banker rabid-ranting, this clearly tells us that U.S. silver-confiscation is imminent.

For silver-holders outside the U.S., you need to ask yourselves a hard question: is your government more likely to mimic the U.S. government (and steal your silver, as well), or do you have confidence that it will respect the property-rights of its citizens. For those who cannot unequivocally reassure themselves on this point, you must also liquidate any/all bullion funds/accounts – to complete your own self-defense from government bullion confiscation.

Few people are aware of the first episode of silver confiscation by the U.S. government. Just as few have any awareness/concern about imminent silver-confiscation today. This is clearly a situation where “ignorance” is anything but blissful.

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Jeff Nielson
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written by Jeff Nielson, September 27, 2011
Hi Manchuze.

No offense to Sprott (in any way), but I'm recommending (if at all possible) that people avoid any North American fund. We currently have a government which is VERY eager to please the U.S. - and very likely to MIMIC any confiscation. Don't forget that if MORE than one government does this that it provides the U.S. with some political "cover" (domestically).

So even though I fully believe that the Sprott funds are legitimate, they MIGHT not be safe from the grasp of our government(s).

As for the situation in Europe, I'm much more surprised that none of the GOVERNMENTS in those nations have simply publicly denounced what is being done to them by the bankers. It suggests they are TOTALLY servile toward that crime syndicate (and corrupt).
manchuze
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written by dick roman, September 27, 2011
Jeff,
About Silver and Gold confiscation, I recently sold GLD and SLV and switched over to Sprott PHYS and PSLV because they are solidly backed by physical. As a US citizen do I have to worry about these funds being confiscated by a mouse click or any other way?
BTW great insightful articles especially about Economic Rape of Europe. No one else onto this it appears. Are they asleep or just manipulated by the press?
Null
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written by Null, April 03, 2011
We have bought lots of gold and silver bullion over the last year. We are in debt with a line of credit to do this and I am betting that interest rates will stay low for at least a while, certainly lower than the rate of appreciation of G&S. That debt is offset by the cash sitting in our self directed RRSP which we do not want to take out for the tax hit. But a significant portion of the RRSP is also in shares, a basket of many mining stocks as well as some PSLV (Sprott's pure silver bullion fund) which has appreciated a lot since we bought it. The mining shares haven't appreciated because they are part of the suppression scheme. Even though silver has gone up 30% since we bought them, most shares have actually gone down.

My thinking is that I am going to wait until there is a default in the silver market and it goes up 10X overnight, then just move the cash electronically over to pay off the line of credit. We could do this now but I don't know, I'll just wait until things seem ready to fall apart before we commit to the big tax hit. I will also sell the PSLV shares around that time because I don't see this vehicle continuing on long after a monetary collapse and for strategic reasons the government or holders simply take the metal out (you can actually take possession of PSLV silver if you have a large enough share).

Last year I was trying to convince my friend to cash in her RRSP which is I think the typical stock and bond portfolio in the bank, and buy gold and silver coins. She would have had to pay tax on that, but I was suggesting she buy silver coins and ironically, by now if she had done that, the gains on those coins would be worth more than the tax she would have paid to take her assets out of her RRSP. She didn't do it. I am amazed at how easily people are conditioned by the MSM and complacency to just believe that everything is going to be OK, despite every legitimate indicator suggesting otherwise. People trust authority, something which I have learned to not do anymore.
bobbbny
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written by robert berg, April 03, 2011
Tidahl; Also consider that if your new employer has a 401K, you can roll the money into that new employers 401K instead of an IRA.
Why do this?
For all of you 401K'ers out there, you can borrow up to $50,000 from your 401K, paying yourself back with interest over a period of up to 5 years.
In effect, you can buy PM & watch it appreciate, while you pay yourself back in depreciating paper.
Perfect? No, but better than doing nothing.
Jeff Nielson
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written by Jeff Nielson, April 03, 2011
Tldahl, we're not "financial advisors", so we can't "recommend" particular investments to people. Instead, we look to TEACH investors how to invest in these companies - right from the most basic fundamentals of investing.

In our "Education Vault", we're in the process of building a COMPLETE teaching resource for our readers - both with respect to the bullion market AND the mining companies themselves. We augment that with Brian's extensive database of miners, AND have a lot of regular discussion on our forum about these companies.

We consider these companies to be investments which ARE accessible to most average investors. Indeed, we think that you can have a lot of fun investing in these companies - provided you remain disciplined and responsible in your approach.

For absolute "newbies", many people find the miner-ETF "GDXJ" to be a good starter-stock, while on the silver side, Silver Wheaton is a larger cap company with a very conservative (but lucrative) business model. So that would be a couple of places to start looking...
tldahl
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written by Thomas Dahl, April 03, 2011
Thanks for the feedback, Jeff. I do hold bullion personally, but wanted to move my retirement assets out of the stock market. Mining shares is a good idea - are there any specific ones that you would recommend? I can't have real time access to those funds, but want to protect them as much as possible. Again, thanks for the reply.
Jeff Nielson
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written by Jeff Nielson, April 03, 2011
Thanks for the reply, Norbull.

Tldahl, being Canadian, I have no expertise in U.S. tax-law, and so can't be much help on the rules regarding transfers and withdrawals.

My general suggestion to readers is to hold precious metals MINERS in their retirement accounts, since the shares in these companies are ideal retirement investments AND the shares of the miners are less-likely to be confiscated than actual bullion.

I encourage readers to hold their bullion OUTSIDE of retirement funds for two reasons. One, I urge all investors to PERSONALLY store/hold their own bullion, and secondly it is immediately available to you in the case of some "financial emergency". Even IF the bullion in funds is not confiscated, this does not mean you would have instant access to those assets in the case of an emergency.
Norbull
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written by Graham, April 03, 2011
Hi tidahl,
Try this link to goldmoney.com and their partner arrangement.
http://www.goldmoney.com/gold-ira-pension.html
tldahl
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written by Thomas Dahl, April 03, 2011
I recently moved to a different employer, which means I have access to my 401(K) and my pension. I was going to invest these funds into a precious metals IRA. But looking at your article, these funds could be confiscated. But if I take cash and buy physical bullion I will lose 40% of my assets, plus be open to get hit by the IRS. Is there any way to invest in a precious metals IRA outside of the US? Probably not, but thought I would ask. What would you do in this situation? Take the 40% hit versus risk it all?
Jeff Nielson
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written by Jeff Nielson, March 14, 2011
Sorry, GeorgeSilver, I missed the point you were making first time.

I doubt very much that the banksters will do ANYTHING to stoke confiscation fears - because that would cause a 'run' on SLV, which (of course) is what JP Morgan uses to bankroll its short-position in the silver market.

Then there is the inventory fraud: the crooked bookkeepers ADD an ounce of silver to inventories every time someone BUYS a unit of SLV. Thus (official) "inventories" would plummet if SLV started to shrink rapidly, since they would have to SUBTRACT from inventories as this liquidation occurred.

They are TRAPPED in their lies-and-leverage. So while they want and NEED confiscation, the banksters themselves will NOT say a word about this.
georgesilver
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written by George Silver, March 14, 2011
Dear Jeff
I wasn't saying YOU were panicking people with Silver confiscation. What I was trying to say was that just maybe the story is being transmitted by the Morgue and it is then being picked up by others to panic "weak hands" into selling their Silver. You know rumours can spread like wild-fire.
I was also trying to say that in a market like BullionVault the people buying and selling are selling real physical Silver. If the physical Silver was difficult to come by you would expect it to be selling way over the spot price.
If you say that on the Comex they are giving 50% above spot to stop people taking delivery. Why don't we see this price reflected in a REAL physical market like BullionVault?
Jeff Nielson
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written by Jeff Nielson, March 14, 2011
Norbull, when we look at the NUMEROUS outrages which the U.S. government has "justified" on the basis of "fighting terrorism", stealing the silver of its citizens doesn't come close to the top of the list.

GeorgeSilver, rumors persist that the Comex criminals are having to pay "cash settlements" approximately 50% above spot price to prevent default, and Eric Sprott insists there is little silver to be found anywhere - that's good enough for me.

Trying to frighten people into selling silver? Obviously NOT. Rather I'm telling them to HOLD IT personally.
georgesilver
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written by George Silver, March 14, 2011
Further to my previous comment here is an interesting thought:-
"The 1933 confiscation was a monetary issue, compelled by the gold standard which was being undermined by private conversion of notes into gold. Since no currency is now underpinned by gold or silver there's no Treasury motivation (other than tax take) for confiscating it. "
So is all this "confiscation conspiracy" just trying to panic people into selling.
georgesilver
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written by George Silver, March 14, 2011
I continually read in "blogs" that there is a very little Silver at Comex and LBMA and that there is a "disconnect" between the price of physical Silver and paper Silver.
As a customer of BullionVault I do not see this. The price that people are buying and selling at seems to follow the "paper" price.
If there was a scarcity of Silver surely the price on BullionVault would be much higher?
I have also contacted BullionVault and they say that they have no problem whatsoever obtaining large quantities of Silver.
Norbull
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written by Graham, March 14, 2011
Difficult to see a confiscation coming up, the difference being that there's no acknowledgment of the gold standard or anything like it on the horizon. Silver is used on a large scale but in minute quantities per product. I can see industry being willing to pay a lot more to pull silver out of the vaults and into use.
I'm in the UK though, and there is always a worry that the UK falls in line with the US on financial (as well as military) matters.
If there was a confiscation of silver like in the 30's but for industrial rather than monetary use, would it really matter if the true market price was paid? (I guess there might still be a long term issue with a declining fiat currency....... so everyone would move to, say, platinum).
Jeff Nielson
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written by Jeff Nielson, March 13, 2011
Mathnerd, I think we have to look to whoever the NEXT Liberal leader will be, as "Prime Minister Ignatieff" doesn't seem to be a likely event at this juncture.

At this point, all I could say is that there would likely be a lesser chance of this occurring with a non-Conservative government, since none of the other parties have the Conservative obsession with pleasing the U.S.
Jeff Nielson
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written by Jeff Nielson, March 13, 2011
PeterS, as long as we have a Conservative government in Ottawa, then "monkey see, monkey do" appears to be the operative phrase.

The SAME government which has been (secretly) negotiating a "North American Union", which has signed "military deals" allowing the U.S. military to enter Canada any time IT decided there was an "emergency", and which put a Goldman Sachs Stooge in charge of our central bank would NOT hesitate to copy the U.S. in this move either.

My suspicion however is that such an order would not occur in Canada at the SAME time, but more likely later - since there has been no attempt to demonize silver-ownership by the Canadian media (yet).
mathnerd
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written by Travis Lucy, March 13, 2011
Given their track record, I'd imagine there's not much doubt the Harper Conservatives would confiscate silver when push comes to shove in Canada, especially if they ever get a majority.

What about the Liberals? Do you think they'd confiscate silver too?
PeterS
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written by PeterS, March 13, 2011
Thanks for that info, that the clerk didn't tell me. Hopefully the 3 G reporting limit is per transaction as that purchase was made in 3 transactions on 3 different days in early February, each individual transaction was well under the limit, although the cummulative total was 4 G.
Null
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written by Null, March 13, 2011
Peter, apparently the limit in Canada for reporting is $3000 so you went over that. I always stay below that limit and do transactions anonymously. Of course I will be on video camera but I think it’s crossing over into conspiracy theories to believe people are going to be reviewing the videotapes to try to ID PM buyers when thousands of people a day go through the currency exchange.
PeterS
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written by PeterS, March 13, 2011
Jeff,
An interesting, but scary, article. As I just purchased a small amount of 119 oz from the ScotiaMocatta vault in downtown Toronto, there is a papertrail. Although they claim they don't transmit that info to Revenue Canada until you sell it back, I'm not sure how much confidence to have in that assurance. Your focus re: silver confiscation is centered on the USA. What is your opinion that this could happen in Canada as well if the USA does go that route?
redpill
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written by Schuhmann, March 12, 2011
congratulations Jeff,

your article has been translated and published here in Germany:

http://klarblick.blogspot.com/2011/03/desinformation-der-wallstreet.html
Jeff Nielson
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written by Jeff Nielson, March 12, 2011
Redpill, if Max Keiser were ALONE with his "campaign" then this would not be an issue. JP Morgan and the rest of the Oligarchs would be unable to demonize ALL silver-holders on the basis of this ONE individual's stance.

It is the MULTITUDE of such pieces which have suddenly flooded the internet which have me so worried. And we are still in the EARLY stages of this "demonization" process. So attempting to gauge how belligerent the U.S. government will get in confiscating silver (at this stage) is difficult to say.

It's also VERY important to note the ratio of silver which could be EASILY confiscated (the "funds" and "accounts") in relation to personally-held silver.

Ironically, if EVERYONE heeded my call to abandon funds and accounts and hold all their silver personally, then this makes it MUCH more likely that the U.S. government would resort to busting-down doors.

However, the reality is that I'm only likely to reach a small portion of silver-holders with this message, and thus when confiscation occurs I see it MOST likely that the U.S. government will stop short of the more extreme "goon tactics" - since that's where most of the silver will be found.

Sadly, the OTHER dynamic here is that the MORE silver that Americans buy, the more likely the U.S. government will be 'forced' to confiscate silver (to save the Oligarchs). So I look at this opposite to yourself: if little silver is held personally, while it would be "easy" to collect, there would be little "reward" in doing so.

Conversely, if Americans continue to load-up on bullion month after month as they have been doing recently, then the "reward" for confiscation is much larger - and thus more tempting.
redpill
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written by Schuhmann, March 12, 2011
Jeff,

one point I would like to ask:
In my opinion Max Keiser has set up his campaign, because he wanted much more people to buy (physical)silver. Let's assume that at the moment 0.1% of the population own physical silver. If the campaign works, it could be perhaps 10%. Wouldn't it be much more difficult for the governments to confiscate silver in this case? To make it more extreme: If the majority of the people own physical silver, confiscations become nearly impossible - on the other hand, if 99.9% of the people have no silver, confiscations can easily executed (not against the majority).

May be I am deadly wrong...
bobbbny
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written by robert berg, March 12, 2011
Jeff, do you believe that holding Sprott PSLV will protect US investors in the event of the confiscation?
What also do you feel about the upcoming JPM manipulation trial in Federal Court? I am at a loss to understand the increased shorting ahead of this trial & the March 28 imposition of position limits. I appreciate your insights here.
Jeff Nielson
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written by Jeff Nielson, March 12, 2011
Null, sorry, I missed your question about platinum first time around.

While platinum is obviously a precious metal, it does not have the "pedigree" of either gold or silver as MONEY. Thus, in any economic Armageddon scenario, it is NOT clear that platinum would ever function as "money", and would possibly be nothing more than a barter good.

In that respect, it's principal appeal would be its density rather than its usefulness.
Jeff Nielson
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written by Jeff Nielson, March 12, 2011
GeorgeSilver, it's not surprising that Max Keiser's name would come to mind, although he is now FAR from alone regarding the "take down JP Morgan" rhetoric.

One of the reasons I did not name him specifically is that I have no reason to believe that he is merely a banker-stooge.

Another reason is that he's NOT a "one-trick pony" who ONLY talks about this subject, unlike some of the newer "voices" which have suddenly emerged regarding this topic.

This is also why I made a distinct point of noting that some of the people publishing material in this area are "honest, decent people".

It's VERY hard to say definitively that ANY particular individual is merely "fronting" for bankers. However, when all this material is PAIRED with the general propaganda demonizing "speculators" and "hoarders", I am completely convinced that this is a PART of that strategy - and that the only "end game" can be confiscation.

Regarding converting your own account to physical bullion, "yes" engaging in that conversion will cost you money. Think of it as "insuring" your bullion (which is itself financial insurance).

This is why for non-U.S. residents I framed this as a question: do YOU think your country will confiscate bullion (and copy the U.S.) or do you believe it will respect your property rights?

If you answer negatively to that question, I would suggest that the losses you will take in converting your bullion would be paid for by SLEEPING BETTER.
georgesilver
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written by George Silver, March 12, 2011
Dear Jeff
I hold registered bars within the BullionVault system which is held at ViaMat. Does this represent a risk? If I was to "liquidate" my holding and then buy Silver in bars or coins retail I would make a substantial loss on the premium plus I would be subject to vat living in France. Silver would be out of the question so the only alternative would be Gold Krugerrands. Or am I missing something?
georgesilver
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written by George Silver, March 12, 2011
"In fact, I am convinced that most of these “mouths that roar” are in fact paid tools of the bankers, performing an invaluable service for them: demonizing silver investors in the eyes of the (ignorant) general public."

Is it only me that sees Max Keiser fitting the above description?
Jeff Nielson
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written by Jeff Nielson, March 12, 2011
Dylan, the "90%" of our silver which has disappeared has NOT disappeared into the stockpiles of hoarders, but into our LANDFILLS.

With silver grossly under-priced, it was not only OVER-CONSUMED in industrial applications, but it was priced too low to encourage recycling of most of the "industrial" silver, so over 50 years it has simply been thrown away.
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