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debsyl wrote:
Ok, I have heard it often said that just before gold and silver options expire at the Comex the price of gold and silver is taken down, thus the present takedown came as no surprise.

Since I have never been involved in buying contracts at the Comex, I am curious why this is beneficial to the powers that be. Has the price not already been established when the contract was drawn up?




Debsyl, I've read the explanation for this before, but can't recall it offhand. I really don't pay much attention to details like this, because it's just "trivia" -- like all the ado about the "gold fix" and "silver fix". The fact that they take gold down 1% and silver down 2% at specific times each month is mostly just to give the Conspiracy Theorists something to talk about -- which never goes anywhere near the MAJOR ISSUES of manipulation.

Talking about trivia like this also HELPS the Banksters continue their brainwashing that we still have "markets", because it implies that any/all "market manipulation" which does take place is just a collection of small, trivial scams like this.
01:04 PM
Jeff Nielson replied to the topic Re: Musical musings... in the forums.
Earl wrote:
Steve Miller Band- This is one from 1968, I just couldn't leave out.

Thank You
Earl





Never heard this one before Earl, thanks. The furthest back I ever went with Steve Miller was "The Joker"...
12:37 PM
Yesterday
robinsld wrote:
Jeff,

I have to say I honestly think you see PCR as some sort of shill, and therefore interpret everything he says in that context. I didn't listen to the recording you posted, but I did read the transcript and in particular, searched for the words you mentioned which PCR supposedly accused China and Russia of -

""timid", or "naive", or "confused", even "stupid""...




Don't attempt to criticize something which you never even listened to. If your memory was correct; you would know that (until now) I have spoken about Paul Craig Roberts not merely in favorable terms, but glowing terms.

What exactly are you saying, Robinsld, that I'm lying -- when anyone can listen to the clip and here this themselves???
07:05 PM
Jeff Nielson, Jeff Nielson replied to the topic Re: Musical musings... in the forums.
Here's another overdue addition to this thread.

For me; this one deserves a place in anyone's music collection as being some of the Allman Brothers' best guitar-work. However, it gets its inclusion on a "music thread" of a PRECIOUS METALS website for its lyrics...







The Midnight Rider


Well, I've got to run to keep from hidin'
And I'm bound to keep on ridin'
And I've got one more silver dollar

But I'm not gonna let 'em catch me, no
Not gonna let 'em catch the midnight rider

And I don't own the clothes I'm wearing
And the road goes on forever
And I've got one more silver dollar

But I'm not gonna let 'em catch me, no
Not gonna let 'em catch the midnight rider

And I've gone by the point of caring
Some old bed I'll soon be sharing
And I've got one more silver dollar

But I'm not gonna let 'em catch me, no
Not gonna let 'em catch the midnight rider

No, I'm not gonna let 'em catch me, no
Not gonna let 'em catch the midnight rider

No, I'm not gonna let 'em catch me, no
Not gonna let 'em catch the midnight rider

No, I'm not gonna let 'em catch me, no
Not gonna let 'em catch the midnight rider



The metaphor here is a simple one. Gold, and especially silver equal LIBERTY.

04:51 PM
Jeff Nielson replied to the topic Re: Kissinger and the Dream in the forums.
Nice to see you Earl!

Yes, there hasn't been any direct mention of the latest "racial violence" in the U.S.: outrage over another African American being killed by an (armed) non-black. And (as is quite often the case), a police officer is holding the gun (in this case a police officer in Missouri).

Without taking sides here (for a change); either the majority of these black victims did not engage in sufficient provocation to justify the use of deadly force, or they did. Let's examine (real) guilt/responsibility in both scenarios.

Obviously if there was/is not sufficient provocation involved here for the use of deadly force, then we're dealing with simple murder (or, at best, manslaughter -- literally, since the victims are almost always male). But what if these black victims were "up to no good" themselves? Then who is really to blame here?

Are African Americans simply predisposed to being hoodlums and thugs? OR, could it have just a little bit to do with being brought across the ocean as slaves (for a couple of centuries), and even after being (supposedly) "freed" they have faced consistent economic oppression, prejudice, and discrimination for the two centuries.

They are denied equal opportunity in either education of employment, and the first time they engage in any legal transgression they are stuffed into an over-crowded prison, generally sentenced to the maximum allowed by law -- and then treated even more inhumanely.

As I've done in the past; there is an obvious metaphor here. If you beat a dog again and again and again, and then the dog turns vicious and bites someone; you don't blame the dog -- you BLAME THE ONE ADMINISTERING THE BEATINGS. Let me stress (just to be clear) that I'm not denigrating black people and equating them with dogs (lol!). Rather; I'm simply pointing out that if you engage in serial abuse of any creature (of any level of intelligence) you will induce aberrant behavior.

In the case of the latest (tragic) premature death of this African American; there are only two possibilities. Either this (individual) police officer is culpable for the death, or White America is collectively responsible.

It sickens me how "blame the Victim" is such a popular mentality with so many Americans (obviously excluding Members of this Community). Meanwhile, when filthy-rich WHITE PEOPLE (i.e. the One Bank) perpetrate the worst crimes (crimes against humanity) in the history of our species; they are never (ever) even charged with crimes -- let alone ever knowing how it feels to be on the other end of "the Stick".

01:29 PM
Jeff Nielson replied to the topic Re: Netherlands repatriates some of its gold in the forums.
One very convincing fact, and one very plausible suggestion Debsyl.



Yes, it could be that holding gold for the Netherlands is an isolated occurrence rather than part of the larger pattern/paradigm. And alone among the nations of Northern Europe; the Netherlands has been supportive of/highly involved with the Fascists. They join them in their wars, and they could easily have been persuaded to stay silent here -- or perhaps even had advance notice...?
01:09 PM
Jeff Nielson replied to the topic Re: Jeff Nielson, for Sprott Money: in the forums.
Continuing where the last piece left off...


The Working Poor: Welcome to Walmart!

www.sprottmoney.com/news/the-working-poo...da-sprott-money-news

It was recently reported in the news that Walmart is engaged in a(nother) “food drive” to help feed the needy. Isn’t that nice? Well, it would be, if it weren’t for the fact that the “needy” in these food-drives are its own employees..
02:37 AM
2 days ago
As the Swiss "gold referendum" approaches; suddenly another European nation (which supposedly owns a lot of gold) wants its gold back: France. In this case; the request comes from the French Opposition -- it's rapidly-rising, ultra right-wing party (i.e. fascist): Front National.

While it's encouraging to hear more "gold repatriation" talk; it's quite alarming to know that a political party to the right of the current Fascists governing France has become the country's most-popular political party. Yes, I know the governing party of France calls itself "socialist" -- but it has engaged in nothing but ultra right-wing, extremist policies since the day it was elected.

Clearly fascism is once again rising in Europe, while over here in North America we have the ultra-fascist Two-Party Dictatorship in the U.S., and in Canada we have goose-stepping wannabe, Stephen Harper -- moving Canada further and further and further to the Right every day. And this comes after the political pendulum had already swung further to the Right than any time in our history.

If Hitler were alive today; he would be considered a "political moderate"...


Here Comes France: Right-Wing Leader Marine Le Pen Demands Central Bank Repatriate French Gold

www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-25/here-c...l-bank-repatriate-fr

First Germany, then the Netherlands, perhaps Switzerland this weekend, and now the French right-wing Front National, which shockingly came first in May's European parliament elections, and whose leader Marine Le Pen is currently polling in first place in a hypothetical presidential election (in both a first and run off round), ahead of president Hollande, has sent a letter to the governor of the French Central Bank, the Banque de France, demanding that France join the list of nations which have repatriated, or at least tried to, their gold.

From her letter, here is the full list of French demands (google translated):

Urgent repatriation on French soil of all of our gold reserves located abroad.
An immediate discontinuation of any gold sales program.
Conversely, a gradual reallocation of a significant portion of foreign exchange reserves in the balance sheet of the Bank of France by buying gold at each significant decrease in the price of an ounce (recommendation 20%) .
A suspension of any financial commitment or loan contract would wager that our gold reserves.
At the patrimonial and financial balance of the 2004 gold sales transactions ordered by N. Sarkozy...
11:00 AM
Jeff Nielson created a new topic Netherlands repatriates some of its gold in the forums.
News came out this week that the Netherlands has "secretly" repatriated 120 tons of its gold from the U.S. There is some significance to this news in itself, put into the context of Germany trying to get some of its gold back, and the (subsequent) news (which will be included in a separate post) that the leader of France's rapidly rising fascist party wants France's gold returned to it, as well.

However, the tid-bit of news in the Dutch announcement which really caught my eye was this:

Now 31% of the Dutch gold reserves are in Amsterdam, the same percentage as in New York. The rest is in Ottowa and London.

Putting aside the fact that the capital of Canada is spelled incorrectly (lol); how is it possible for Canada to be storing gold for the Netherlands, when WE have no gold of our own -- except a tiny reserve for minting our Gold Maples?

This is the first that I have ever heard that Canada is apparently also being used as a storage depot for at least a small fraction of Europe's gold. Note that this suggests that Canada's government has been more deeply involved in the West's (U.S.'s) gold shell-game than anyone ever suspected (or at least me).




Dutch bring 120 tonnes of gold back to Amsterdam from New York

www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2014/11/d...m-from-new-york.php/

The Dutch central bank has secretly brought a large part of the national gold reserves being held in a secure depot in New York back to Amsterdam. In total, 120 tonnes of gold valued at €4bn has been brought back to the Netherlands by ship, Nos television said...
10:48 AM
3 days ago
In the clip below, another so-called "hearing"; U.S. Eunuch politicians DESCRIBE (in very understated terms) all of the crimes being committed by the Wall Street branches of the One Bank. They say that all of these crimes are indefensible and intolerable. And then -- as always -- they DO nothing.

Try to avoid puking if you listen to this...



P.S. I almost forgot the punch-line: the Eunuchs are expecting and relying upon the Federal Reserve to monitor the Wall Street criminals, stop any "abuses" (i.e. crimes), and PUNISH offenders.



Wall Street Bank Involvement With Physical Commodities (Day Two)
www.hsgac.senate.gov/subcommittees/inves...-commodities-day-two
04:03 PM
Jeff Nielson replied to the topic Re: Protecting Pedophile Politicians in the forums.
Debsyl, I certainly understand your basis for outrage here (and that of Zero Hedge). However, what always concerns me when "news" like this emerges is that it DISTRACTS US from the much larger issues (i.e. their BIGGEST crimes-against-humanity).

While these amoral politicians (and let's not forget the Priests) engage in these despicable acts, victimizing hundreds (thousands?) of children; these same despicable Traitors are the primary facilitators as the Old World Order victimizes HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS (just in our own societies) with its endless/relentless economic rape.

If we smashed the One Bank, and banished it to oblivion; would these Pedophile Politicians still be protected? No. If we smashed the One Bank, and banished it to oblivion; would these Pedophile Politicians even get elected? In most cases; no.

The same type of people who see no problems in serving the One Bank (all their lives) -- as it engages in the ECONOMIC RAPE of all their constituents -- are precisely the same sort of morally-deficient human beings who would see no problem in victimizing children.

What is reported here is (ultimately) merely another symptom of the societies/system which the One Bank has imposed on almost the entire Western world. What we must NEVER lose sight of, however, is the underlying "disease":

The Old World Order

The Poster Boy for the sexual abuse of children (around the world) is the Pope. And there is no more obvious/visible symbol of the Old World Order than whatever sub-human currently occupies that position.
03:25 PM
4 days ago
robinsld wrote:
There is just one issue I have with the content of these two videos, particularly the second and the text commentary leading into it. The statement that the Swiss will NOT be getting their gold is incorrect, and misleading. The Swiss WILL get their gold, if the referendum is carried, because they will require it. The important thing to note is the wording of the sentence: "There is simply not enough gold, at current prices, to satisfy the Swiss’ needs.". The key words are "at current prices". The prices will simply have to rise for the Swiss to get their gold. I'm sure this is the point that is worrying the PTB, as a referendum is not something that anyone can ignore. If it's carried, the Swiss will be REQUIRED by constitution and law, to acquire the necessary gold, at whatever price that acquisition demands.

There is a lot of focus on how things can't be done "at current prices", without completing the analysis by looking at how it CAN be done...

In this case, "can" would be replaced by "must".



OK, here I'm going to "agree" with the points made by both of you -- and then explain WHY this means that the Banksters will sabotage this referendum at all costs (even if it means simple, ballot-box fraud).

On the one hand; I think Dubin is right. I don't think that there is enough PHYSICAL BULLION which Switzerland's government could obtain (in a timely enough manner) to satisfy the parameters of the referendum.

On the other hand; your point is valid too. IF the referendum passes; the people of Switzerland won't tolerate "excuses". Thus this could very easily (and finally) blow-up the gold market -- and in a very public way. So no matter how the people of Switzerland actually vote here; I can already "predict" the outcome.



P.S. Myself (and other people I respect) are firmly convinced there was old-fashioned ballot-box fraud in the last election in my own province, British Columbia. Pre-election polling indicated the government was CLEARLY headed to defeat. And then on election-day; we had what the (Corporate) media called "a miracle" -- and our (pro-business) Nazi party "won" the election...with a majority.

03:52 PM
robinsld wrote:
Debsyl, thanks for reposting this. It's refreshing to get a trader's-eye view of these markets, these dynamics. Most of this rings true to me, that of which I have no knowledge being the only exception. The way he describes this mechanism is precisely how I would expect the PTB to conduct their business against the rest of the world in general and the American public specificly. Never was it more clear to me that the US is the target and focus of attention, in fact has been created to be the target and focus of attention, precisely to draw in the greatest number of patsies possible, and then cash in on the biggest (orchestrated) crash in history...



Robinsld, I certainly understand the basis for seeking insights from people with "experience". The implied assumption is that they have PRACTICAL knowledge/ideas which people without such experience are less likely to figure-out on their own.

But note (as with almost all logic/reasoning) the big assumption that you have made: that his experience is useful/relevant. And I would argue that (now) that assumption is entirely invalid.

Even if we go back to the early days of BBC; I frequently acknowledged by lack of experience/expertise as an actual "trader" in these markets. But things have changed significantly even over the past 4 years. Specifically, it was in 2011 that the One Bank's "master trading algorithm" took COMPLETE control over what used to be "markets".

We now no longer have markets. A "market" (by definition) is a forum for commerce where price is SOLELY determined by supply and demand. We now no longer have anything which even remotely resembles that. Instead; we have a Big Scam: a 100%-rigged system of commercial fraud.

Thus NONE of this Trader's "experience" has any relevance at all, any longer. Understand that ALL traders are T/A Jockeys. If they didn't believe in (and preach) "T/A", they wouldn't be traders -- since T/A provides them with nearly all of the data they use to engage in their trading.

As a reminder; for ANY T/A to be valid, a very long list of assumptions must all be true. At the top of the list are "free/open markets" and "perfect information" for all Players in our markets. Our reality is the EXACT OPPOSITE of this: the exact opposite of free markets, and the exact opposite of perfect information.

Thus it is now impossible for Traders to derive any useful insights from their experience, because all of that "experience" is based upon a world which has now completely ceased to exist.

Perhaps an analogy would be helpful. You have a serious physical illness, and so you're looking for a "doctor". You find two. One just graduated from medical school as a general practitioner, the other has 20 years experience -- but as a psychiatrist. Yes, he has lots of "experience" -- but none of it is relevant. Indeed, his experience COULD even be a hindrance.

Let's alter the scenario slightly. Now the two doctors are BOTH psychiatrists: one with 20 years experience, the other just graduated. Here you would actually be BETTER OFF with the doctor with no experience.

Psychiatrists are required to learn a lot of basic medicine before specializing in psychiatry. But for the psychiatrist with 20 years experience; much of that training would be forgotten. Conversely, for the psychiatrist who just graduated, his general medical training would be much better-remembered.

It's the same with the Traders. If you have two Traders, one with 23 years experience (like this trader), and the other has only been trading for 3 years; most of the "experience" with the first trader is now totally inapplicable/irrelevant. He still needs to FORGET much of what he learned previously -- because it no longer has any application.

The second trader, conversely, has never known anything other than absolute manipulation. While neither is likely to have much in the way of insights (because both are Zealots of "T/A"); the second trader MIGHT have more to offer.

Many of the leading ECONOMISTS are also very, very "experienced" -- and we know what THAT experience is worth...

11:36 AM
5 days ago
Good stuff Dylan!

Yes, you have identified another means of revealing false-flag events. If the Scapegoats for the false-flag event are ever exonerated, or whatever "patsy" which was blamed is no longer a credible suspect (in hindsight); the One Bank ensures that any "investigation" into those who are/were really responsible dies.

Of course the most-obvious example of a false-flag event being exposed in this manner was the JFK assassination. And (obviously) if the general public ever opened their eyes long enough to realize that "9/11" wasn't (solely) the work of 21 "Muslim terrorists" (lol!!); the One Bank would make sure that any inquiry into its own culpability here would also be quashed.
12:52 PM
P.S. Note that this could very easily be disinformation. How/why?

Think about it. Not only is it a (supposed) "explanation" (for the suspicious/skeptical) as to how/why these bubble markets keep going higher and higher, it's also a reassurance.

If people thought/knew that these bubble markets are being primarily pumped-up with the money of the Chumps (as they always are); they would get very nervous. But if they believed (erroneously) that the Federal Reserve itself (with its MAGIC printing press) was "backing" these bubble markets with its own money, then (supposedly) the bubbles could keep going up and up and up.

It's a SEDUCTION (to the foolish) to jump on the Federal Reserve market bandwagon. Who cares if the markets are corrupt if YOU are on the "winning side"...???

12:45 PM
6 days ago
Here are the links to a two-part interview from Rory (of SGTReport).

Eric Dubin – They Could Conceivably Kill the COMEX

Part I


Join us as we take a look at the silver market since the US Mint sold out of American Silver Eagles. We review what has happened and the possibilities that loom around the corner.


thedailycoin.org/?p=11027

600 Metric Tons of Gold Does Not Exist at Current Prices – Eric Dubin

This is part 2 of my interview with Eric Dubin


We conclude our discussion of the current state of affairs at the COMEX which leads us to discuss how the true physical market, the Shanghai Gold Exchange, is impacting the markets and the flow of metal in and out of the market.


thedailycoin.org/?p=11071
05:44 PM
[p. 207] Lindbergh leaves absolutely no doubt as to who the principal Failures are in our societies -- the same Failures who sabotaged life in his own era.

Had it not been for a few geniuses in science, mechanics and in all fields of service except economics and politics, the profiteer system would have reduced the majority of us to mere beasts. The world has made wonderful progress in everything – except politics and economics.
I'm sure it's no mystery to regular readers why someone who singles out the politicians and economists (i.e. the "Traitors" and the "Charlatans") as the principal Failures of our societies is my new, personal hero.

04:45 PM
Jeff Nielson replied to the topic Re: Will Putin play the gold card? in the forums.
debsyl wrote:


...Now you DO disapppont me. My husband goes by many names, so I tell people, "You can call him whatever you wish, but don't call him late for dinner."

I didn't realize that was a common phrase, I thought I was the author LOL



I think the first time I heard that line (long ago) was in some TV comedy, or perhaps a stand-up routine:

"You can call me ________, or call me _______; just don't call me late for dinner."



P.S. There are a few lines in my own, standard repertoire which I've been using for so long that I can't remember if I made-up the line myself -- or "borrowed it" from someone else.

02:05 PM
Jeff Nielson replied to the topic Re: Notable Quotes... in the forums.
I wish I'd written this one myself...!

Leaders are like petted and pampered children – spoiled and no good unless by our intelligence we force them to be good.


If you want to know who did say/write this; here's where to look.
01:50 PM
Good stuff, TA!

Everyone here knows I frequently rely upon thoughts, posts and questions from readers/Members as inspiration for my commentaries. But this is a first: I just drafted the title for a future commentary before even reading what was posted (lol):

The Working Poor: Welcome to Walmart!

01:20 PM
1 week ago
[p. 119] Lindbergh describes how the Economic Pie is divided up in our societies (then and now):

The parasites get it all, honest industry and honest business must be grateful for a few crumbs only.

This is what is known to economists (and every good Right-Winger) as "trickle-down economics".

Nov 21
Debsyl, I was just having a little fun -- intended to be a shot at the Charlatans (i.e. "economists").

As the old saying goes; call me anything you want, "just don't call me late for dinner."

Nov 21
WorkinStiff wrote:
So the question is what's gonna happen to the gold price over the next 10 days?

My thought was that it would be bounced up and down like a yoyo to "demonstrate" to the the Swiss that its an erratic barbarous relic. The steady rise over the last week or so has me worried that it might be getting away from them. The Dutch repatriation announcement is an interesting twist. Its not too late to acquire phys but I feel a tonne better buying after the dips (rather than chasing it up).

Do they smash it on the weekends an let it rise during the week? Let it rise with a huge smash just before the vote?

Thoughts


WorkinStiff, the ever-increasing lack of transparency in our (corrupt) world forces me to a little more humble -- at least some of the time (lol).

With these psychopaths having so MANY different schemes at work (and "targets" they're attacking); I'm having more and more problems trying to connect SPECIFIC events with specific plans.

In this particular case; I'm going to offer a piece of advice which I usually forget myself (lol): we must remember not to think about "the price of gold" (or silver) exclusively denominated in USD's. The USD has (absurdly) been rising against ALL "currencies" lately --and gold is a currency.

Thus if we looked at a gold chart of the last few weeks in rupees, or pounds, or euros; I suspect it would look significantly different.

Conveniently; this was also recently posted on the Forum.

Will Putin play the gold card?


I was somewhat skeptical about that plan, but had to acknowledge that it was at least feasible that it could happen. And if Russia was planning to "back the rouble with gold"; that would be an even bigger reason for the Psychopaths to start whacking-around the price of gold (yet again).

With respect to your own theory; I think it's probability (again) depends on something which we cannot know with reliability. Recent STORIES (from the propaganda machine) indicate that the gold-referendum looks certain to be defeated. If that's true; then there is less of a need for the strategy you suggest.

Conversely, if they're LYING about Swiss support for the referendum (and lying is always possible); then that increases the motive to use the price of gold as a tool to shake the confidence of the Swiss people.

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