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Jeff Nielson replied to the topic Re: US Post Office prices in SDR's in the forums.
Good eyes, TA!

All the same; I'm going to label this a case of "wishful thinking" rather than an actual "scheme" of the One Bank. If we saw the banksters pricing one of their equities or financial markets in "SDR's", then we might actually have reason to worry about having this new (debauched) paper forced upon us. But the U.S. Post Office is such an obsolete, under-funded anachronism that (like the USD, or SDR's) we can't even be sure it will still be in existence a year from now.

That said; I will certainly keep my eyes open for more such gestures, and if we see them I might have to revise my opinion. But compare this to the UK government starting to denominate it's own bonds in renminbi. Or Canada (whose largest trading partner is the U.S.) starting to engage in currency-swaps with China.

These are BIG moves -- toward the renminbi. In comparison, buying U.S. stamps with SDR's is basically a joke...

11:04 AM
Yesterday
debsyl wrote:
I received the following from my Member of Parliament (Canada) to my query on the link I posted from USA Watchdog



This article was written from a US perspective, which as you know required taxpayer bail out. This was not the case in Canada. Canada has it’s own response which you can find here: www.fin.gc.ca/activty/consult/tpbrr-rpcrb-eng.asp


I selected two paragraphs which I thought were of interest. "Systematically important banks" are also knows as "too big to fail".


The Government is putting in place such a regime in Canada: Economic Action Plan 2013 announced a comprehensive risk management framework for Canada's domestic systemically important banks (D-SIBs).[1] This framework includes enhanced supervision by the Office of the Superintendent of Financial Institutions (OSFI—Canada's federal prudential regulator), the development of institution-specific recovery plans as well as resolution plans, higher capital requirements[2] and the development of a Taxpayer Protection and Bank Recapitalization (or "bail-in") regime.

The Taxpayer Protection and Bank Recapitalization regime for Canada's D-SIBs would allow for the expedient conversion of certain bank liabilities into regulatory capital when a D-SIB fails (i.e., at the point when the institution becomes non-viable). It would thus enable a resolution strategy that protects taxpayers by ensuring that losses are borne by shareholders and creditors of the failed bank while preserving the same legal entity and contracts of the bank (i.e., keeping it open or "continuing") and, in turn, maintaining the critical services the bank provides to its customers.



At point 18:29, on the link from USA Watchdog, Ellen Brown pointed out that she received .18 as interest on her money, thus she is considered a creditor of the bank.



Debsyl, this is precisely the "warning" I was delivering (as loudly and as often as possible) immediately after the Cyprus Steal. As I noted last year; Canada was the FIRST WESTERN NATION to formerly entrench bail-in provisions into its existing legal framework -- and even the current budget.

Stephen Harper’s Cyprus Blueprint For Canada

Let me quote from that piece, as I spell-out things in pretty vivid terms:

When Stephen Harper came to power, however, he had more on his mind than just breaking promises: he had an Agenda. A part of that agenda was to duplicate – as exactly as possible – the massive housing-bubble of the United States; the largest asset-bubble in history, which was followed by the largest “bail-out” package in economic history.

For interested readers, this plot has been described in detail in a previous commentary. For the purpose of this commentary; it’s not essential to know how Stephen Harper manufactured the Canadian housing-bubble (with the enthusiastic assistance of former Bank of Canada Governor Mark Carney). It’s only essential to note the dates involved. Stephen Harper began constructing the Canadian housing-bubble after the U.S. bubble had already burst.

There can only be one thing worse than engaging in suicidally-reckless economic policy. This is to engage in suicidally-reckless economic policy after that policy has been exposed as such. The reason this is much, much worse should be obvious to all readers.

The bankers and politicians (of both parties) who manufactured the U.S. housing-bubble have at least “plausible deniability” on their side: they can pretend the U.S. housing-bubble was an “accident.” Stephen Harper has no such cover available to him. The dates involved make this clear that the Canadian housing-bubble is a premeditated betrayal of the entire Canadian population.

There are two, major distinctions between the U.S. and Canadian bubbles, apart from (perhaps) a difference in the level of premeditation. First and foremost, it was impossible for Stephen Harper to match the saturation-level of fraud which has permeated every nook-and-cranny of the U.S. housing sector – from rampant land-title fraud to (institutionalized) Liar’s Loans to literal “fraud factories”: companies being formed solely to custom-produce forged/fraudulent documents for the Wall Street banksters.

The other very important difference is that when the Wall Street crime syndicate and the Republican regime looted approximately $15 trillion from the U.S. financial system in direct hand-outs, (so-called) “0% loans”, infinite “loss guarantees”, and near-infinite tax-breaks there were no “bail-in” rules in place. Directly stealing from peoples’ accounts to indemnify their gambling-losses was merely a “wonderful fantasy” for U.S. banksters (at that time).

With Stephen Harper’s housing-bubble poised to burst – whenever Canada’s banksters choose to detonate it – the question becomes: how large will the subsequent looting be, with Canada’s “bail-in” rules officially carved in stone?


Being the good puppet that he is; Harper simply said that Canada would created "bail-in" rules precisely as suggested by the "Financial Stability Board". What is the Financial Stability Board? It is a corrupt club for senior Western bankers, created and operated by the Bank for International Settlements.

What is the Bank for International Settlements? It is the lynch-pin of the One Bank's crime empire. Officially it is known a "the central bank for central banks". Unofficially; it is the totally unregulated financial Black Hole which the One Bank uses to conduct the bulk of its (annual) $TRILLIONS in money-laundering. Indeed, the BIS was specifically created as the money-laundering vehicle which the One Bank needed to finance BOTH SIDES during World War II.

What did the FSB tell the puppet-governments of the West (like Stephen Harper's) to do with regard to "bail-ins"? Make it "legal" for the banksters to steal (literally) any/every kind of wealth in paper form:

No Paper Is Safe From A Bail-In: FSB

So, Debsyl, when that mindless puppet in Parliament sent you a letter saying that Canada's "bail-in rules" (i.e. legalized stealing) were "different" than those of the U.S., he was technically right.

Canada's rules are MUCH, MUCH WORSE than in the U.S. Put another way; when it comes to Traitors, no Traitor is a better Traitor (for the One Bank) than Stephen Harper. When it comes to the banksters; Harper has only one rule: "ask and Ye shall receive".

02:47 PM
3 days ago
Debsyl, what we have here is simply someone with tunnel-vision, being interviewed by someone who doesn't have the analytical skills to separate plausible ideas from drivel. To answer your question; I immediately looked for the focal point for this nonsense, and found it:

“Normally, oil prices falling in a good economy like the 80’s and 90’s, where we have falling inflation and booming productivity and good demographic trends, this would be a good thing. It is a good thing for consumers and businesses, but it is a bad thing for financial markets and our whole debt structure. We have the greatest debt bubble in history. It’s the greatest asset bubble in history, including stocks, commodities, real estate and everything. The last time this bubble burst was in 2008 because of the subprime crises. A small tranche of loans went bad, and it triggered a whole debt crisis . . . that’s what I see. I see a fracking bubble here.

So we have two planks in Dent's argument:

Low oil prices will burst the "fracking bubble", and this will be the (proverbial) straw-that-broke-the-camel's-back with respect to our overall debt-bubbles.

What do we do whenever we analyze the argument of anyone? We immediately look for all of the UNSTATED ASSUMPTIONS. Generally, we don't need to find all of them, because once we find one or two (big) ones; these arguments generally fall apart. What are the unstated assumptions here?

That we're not already LIGHT YEARS PAST the point of insolvency? How can this be any "tipping point" for our debt-bubbles -- when we already leaped past that tipping-point in 2008??? The second, fatal assumption is actually alluded to by Dent himself:

...“Normally, oil prices falling in a good economy like the 80’s and 90’s..."

Why is this true? Because nearly every sector of our economy (except the energy sector) is positively affected by falling oil prices. Yet here we have some Clown with tunnel-vision claiming that the bursting of "the fracking bubble" is going to overwhelm all of that other positive influence of falling oil prices, throughout the broader economy.

Dent wouldn't happen to be from Texas, would he...???



Debsyl, to answer your own question, more generally; when you see two people reach opposite conclusions concerning the same facts, almost always it's because (at least) one of those two people has made a lot of crazy (and unstated) assumptions.

I still like this old line:

What happens when you "assume"? You make an "ass" out of "u" and "me".

02:03 PM
Jeff Nielson created a new topic Men Who CHOOSE Not To Work: the NY Times in the forums.
I saw this originally at Zero Hedge, and thought it was worth posting here as well -- since I didn't see the NY Times article, upon which the Zero Hedge piece is based. Obviously (on one level) there are no surprises here; it's just more confirmation of the transformation of the Middle Class into the Working Poor for years.

However, we get this conclusion confirmed with somewhat different data points. Here is some of the data plucked out of that article by Zero Hedge. While this is U.S. data, it's fair to conclude that this reflects the reality in nearly all Western societies:

- Unemployment for U.S. males has TRIPLED since the 1960's (when this economic oppression commenced).

- 20% of "non-workers" now report themselves as "disabled", many multiples of previous levels, in terms of the total number of people. It's not that there has been a huge increase in "disabling" illnesses/injuries. Rather, with 100 MILLION PERMANENTLY UNEMPLOYED people across the West, employers won't touch anyone with less-than-perfect health. These people might as well be lepers.

- There has also been a huge increase in the number of "non-workers" who list themselves as students. As Zero Hedge points out, this is NOT because they think "higher education" is the path to prosperity. As I pointed out previously; for people who obtain post-secondary education, LESS THEN 50% will derive any financial/employment benefits from their education -- just mega-debts (i.e. debt-slavery).

But something which was not noted at Zero Hedge is that this is actually just more devious/malicious propaganda. Indeed, Zero Hedge actually called it "a shocking dose of truthfulness". Look at this malevolent title:

The Rise of Men Who Don’t Work, and What They Do Instead

Why is this "malicious propaganda", and not "shocking truthfulness"? Because of the phrase "men who don't work". What should the NY Times have written in the title if it had any intention (at all) of "truthfulness"?

The Rise of Men Who Can't Work, and What They Do Instead

The two titles have nearly opposite meanings. The propaganda title of the NY Times uses a permissive verb "don't". This directly implies that men are CHOOSING not to work.

However, let me repeat the reality: 100 MILLION PERMANENTLY UNEMPLOYED people across the Western world, and only a few million job openings -- either below-minimum-wage slave jobs, or jobs requiring specialty skills. Even if they would/could filled every job available; roughly 95% (19 out of every 20) unemployed people are NOT ALLOWED TO WORK (by our Traitor Governments).

Thus the only honest verb which the NY Times could have used in this title is a COERCIVE verb (like "can't"), because these men are forced to be "non-workers"; their only "choice" is what they do -- other than work. To understand this propaganda, read the NY Times article twice. First read it with the NY Times title: men who choose not to work, and what they do instead.

Then read the same article with my (honest) title: men who can't work, and what they are forced to do instead. I guarantee you that you will derive an entirely different interpretation of the NY Times article, just by changing that ONE WORD in the title.

What we see here is subtle propaganda, so subtle that is was missed completely by Zero Hedge, an entity with (generally) finely-tuned "radar" for such propaganda. This is why it is necessary to really focus whenever we come across anything from the Corporate media propaganda machine.

Very often, what seems to be "honesty" (at first glance) simply turns out to be a particularly devious lie. Contrast this with the obvious drivel published by the knuckle-draggers at Kitco (and also covered on the Forum):

Is Russia Selling Its Gold Reserves?



Here the propaganda agenda of Kitco is blurted out in the first line, following its absurd, sensational, and totally false headline:

Analysts appear mixed as to whether or not Russia could be selling its gold reserves to prop up its faltering currency and economy.


Obviously the propaganda drones at Kitco (and throughout the propaganda matrix) have been ordered to BRAINWASH the Zombies with the message that "Russia's economy is faltering", irrespective of whether there is any truth to this. It's brute-force propaganda -- like all brainwashing.

Conversely, with the NY Times article, we have a much more subtle form of lying. This is the work of a Professional Liar, one of the more highly-paid stooges of the Corporate Media. These Professional Liars are tasked with the job of "explaining" the destruction of our economies, the destruction of our societies, and the utter corruption/betrayal by our governments and other public officials.

Obviously there can be no "good answers" in attempting to explain the One Bank's crimes-against-humanity, thus the need for the Professional Liars. By SELECTIVELY plucking out facts, and then twisting them (sometimes with merely a single word); the Professional Liar is able to make one of the One Bank's crimes-against-humanity (100 million people not allowed to work) look like it's OUR OWN FAULT -- large numbers of men choosing not to work.

And when the Professional Liars have truths so ugly that (even with their own skills) there is no way to spin any "reason" why yet another problem is our fault; we get their (inane) Omnibus Lie: "it's the New Normal" -- it's no one's "fault", things are supposed to be like this.

It is very important when visiting any of the higher echelons of the propaganda machine (The Economist, NY Times, Bloomberg, Wall Street Journal, etc.) that we exercise a much higher degree of intellectual scrutiny of everything that we read. These are the headquarters of the Professional Liars, producers of "Grade A" propaganda.

Very devious. Very dangerous.



Lies, Inflation, and the Minimum Wage
The Great Unemployment Lie
The Cure For Western Unemployment

The Economic Pinch [written by Charles Lindbergh Sr. in 1923]
01:34 PM
4 days ago
Jeff Nielson created a new topic "Is Russia Selling Its Gold Reserves?" in the forums.
Here's my nominee for the silliest piece of Russia-bashing from the Corporate media. Here is the one FACT contained in this whole piece of drivel:

According to weekly data provided by the Central Bank of Russia, as of Dec. 5, it held $416.2 billion, down from $420.5 billion reported a week earlier.

As everyone here knows; the portion of its reserves held in paper (still the vast majority) is basically worthless. Its gold holdings are not simply valuable, but in many respects represent "the economic future" of the economy. So which category of "reserve" would Russia have been ridding itself of???



Then a few paragraphs later we have this:

...Julian Jessop, head of commodity strategy at Capital Economics, said that the decline in Russia’s reserves is probably the result of the central bank selling other “low-yielding government bonds” that it is holding.

“I haven’t seen their foreign reserves but I don’t think that Russia is selling its gold. The last thing they would do is sell their gold,” he said.

Peter Hug, global trading director at Kitco Metals Inc., agreed. He said that at first glance it is unlikely that Russia would sell its gold.


No one at Kitco had any evidence at all to suggest Russia had sold even single ounce of gold. No one at Basher Central could offer any plausible reason why Russia would sell a single ounce -- while it has publicly BOUGHT a hundred tons or so over the past year.

So why did Kitco even publish this piece of vacuous drivel, and splash this ultra-sensational headline at the top? Just to give it an excuse to write the first line of this propaganda:

Analysts appear mixed as to whether or not Russia could be selling its gold reserves to prop up its faltering currency and economy.

This is precisely how a propaganda machine engages in brainwashing, although here we have a particularly clumsy and moronic attempt. Clearly, the Drones at Kitco (and throughout the Corporate media) have been instructed to publish the words "Russia's faltering economy" as often as possible, and preferably SEVERAL THOUSAND TIMES PER DAY.

The Kitco Clowns probably also get paid a small commission each time they publish the words (i.e. brainwashing) "selling their gold" (lol); and so by publishing this piece, not only would they have earned a pat on the head from their Masters, but they would have probably been given a sucker, as well.

Understand how brainwashing works; it is ultra-simplistic, brute force conditioning. Literally all you do is repeat the same lie again and again and again and again and again and again...(well, you get the picture).

The Liars (and their Masters) know that if you repeat ANY lie often enough; the vast majority of all people (even many of supposed "high intelligence") will simply accept the lie as fact.

Publish/broadcast "Russia's faltering economy" 10 million or 20 million or 100 million times, and even most (relatively) intelligent and (relatively) "independent-thinkin" individuals will simply incorporate this 'fact' into their own minds, and parrot it to others, or simply use it as a "reason" in their own thinking.

Publish/broadcast the phrase "selling their gold" 10 million or 20 million or 100 times; and even many die-hard Longs will start getting the itch to "lighten their load", or (at best) it will make it harder for them to pull-the-trigger in buying more gold.

This is one of the reasons why I altered my posting habits, and posting frequency here on the Forum. It becomes counter-productive for me to point out/explain how and why a particular piece of Corporate media trash is just more brainwashing if I also then REPEAT THE BRAINWASHING myself, in order to debunk it.



All the same; it's still useful to engage in exercises like this occasionally, especially since clumsy/obvious examples of brainwashing such as this make it easy to illustrate the analytical points. Indeed, if you want to UNDERSTAND THE AGENDA of the One Bank/Old World Order/Fourth Reich (pick your paradigm); you will have gone a long ways toward the end of that journey simply by noting the phrases/buzzwords which get used the most in its propaganda/brainwashing:

"New Normal"
"low inflation"
"too-low inflation" [LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]
"U.S. recovery" [LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]
"Russia's faltering economy"
"combatting terrorism"
"selling their gold"
"Homeland Security"

...undoubtedly readers could add plenty of their own items to this list. And then we have the corresponding brainwashing in the Alternative Media:

"New World Order"
"carbon-tax credit conspiracy"
[most of what comes out of Jim Rickard's mouth]

This is the primary mechanism for creating the Wonderland Matrix. Each "brick" and "plank" of this virtual world, into which a BILLION or so Drones have already plugged-in their minds (voluntarily) was "built" in this manner: repeating Lies again and again and again and again and again...




Is Russia Selling Its Gold Reserves?


www.kitco.com/news/2014-12-12/Is-Russia-...s-Gold-Reserves.html

Analysts appear mixed as to whether or not Russia could be selling its gold reserves to prop up its faltering currency and economy.

Speculation started to rise on the size of Russia’s gold holdings Thursday, after news agencies reported a drop in the Russian Federation’s international foreign reserves. According to weekly data provided by the Central Bank of Russia, as of Dec. 5, it held $416.2 billion, down from $420.5 billion reported a week earlier...
01:01 PM
Lol Earl!!!

While no one thinks that QE II has been going around doing her own "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" adventuring; as an inquiring mind, I do have two questions about this news item.

1) Who recognized this as "a magic mushroom"?
2) How did they know it was a magic mushroom?



...and why not a third, bonus question:

3) Has anyone previously been "harvesting" this crop...???

12:24 PM
Sorry Earl, but Thomas Aquinas beat you to the punch with that one...

www.bullionbullscanada.com/bulletin-boar...ring-qsurvival-kitsq



However, this gives me a perfect opportunity to make a request. A lot of Forum posting ends up in the "Off Topic" section, including a fair number of my own posts. Some of this is definitely appropriate, but (at least in my view) quite a few posts could (should?) be place into one of our specific categories.

There are a few reasons to make an effort to do a little more organizing/classifying. While avid readers/users of the Forum probably look at everything; more casual users may only choose to "surf" one or two categories here. I know with a lot of the Off Topic posts I think (and remark) that the material is "very interesting" -- and it is. But that usually also is an indication that there is a better place for these posts.



The other reason to make the effort is so we reduce duplication. If we just kind of dump everything into "off topic", then it makes it hard (for anyone without a perfect memory - lol) to remember whether an item-of-interest has made it onto the Forum, or not.

When it comes to picking a section; don't worry if your choice (in hindsight) seems less-than-perfect. If anything ever looks seriously out of place; I have a "move" function (as Administrator), and can take it out of one section and put it somewhere else.

I don't do that very often, and I haven't been doing it with a lot of the Off Topic posts, because I don't want to look like too much of a nit-picker. I already project that aura with the way I dissect the content of posts (lol!). I would look just a little too "Nazi" if not only was I dissecting even small details in the work of other writers, but also moving those posts all around the Forum while I did so...



So let's try to be a little more librarian-like in our posting, because even with very interesting subjects like this; once is enough...

12:18 PM
Jeff Nielson replied to the topic Re: The House Just Passed A 1,603-Page Bill in the forums.
OK Earl, call me "slow", but it just finally dawns on me precisely how useful it is (for the One Bank) for the U.S. to have its absurd "debt ceiling". Previously I had always described it as a "pointless" exercise, in addition to a ridiculous farce.

But now I see it's beauty. Firstly it is pointless farce, yet another "shiny bead" to distract the Zombies from substantive issues of importance. But secondly, it's simply manufacturing another opportunity for the Traitor Politicians to rob-through-legislation. Recall once again the words of Charles Lindbergh, from nearly 100 years ago:

They proclaim good, and do evil.

They shout "we've saved the government from another (totally artificial) crisis". Meanwhile, all that is actually done by the "deal" (and needless piece of legislation) are more acts of stealing for the One Bank.

It is one of the most-vile perversions of U.S. pseudo-democracy that these "riders" or "earmarks" are even allowed. It's STEALTH legislation. Slipping through a piece of new law (and often several) without ever even being required to proclaim the TITLE of that new law to the people.

It is one of the best forms of evidence of how long the U.S. has had a Zombie population that very few of the Zombies even understand that this is an issue.



The only thing more pathetic than this is that for most of those decades; the Zombies have boasted that the U.S. had "the best democracy" in the world.



Assuming that the Zombies could actually figure out/understand that the U.S. has the world's worst, most-corrupt "democracy", what would they even do...???

12:02 PM
Jeff Nielson replied to the topic Re: Musical musings... in the forums.
Earl wrote:
John Lennon; (9 October 1940 – 8 December 1980)

Naturally this begs the question: was the One Bank behind this death, as well...?

Carlton "Carly" Barrett (17 December 1950 – 17 April 1987) was an influential reggae drummer and percussion player. His musical development in the early years was with his brother Aston "Family Man" Barrett as a member of Lee "Scratch" Perry's "house band" The Upsetters. The brothers joined Bob Marley and The Wailers around 1970. He wrote the well known Bob Marley song "War" and with his brother Aston co-wrote "Talkin' Blues". Carlton Barrett is featured on all the albums recorded by the Wailers. Barrett popularised the one drop rhythm, a percussive drumming style created by Winston Grennan. With Carly's beats and his brother Aston's bass, the Wailer rhythm section planted the seeds of today's international reggae. Barrett was murdered outside his home in Jamaica on 17 April 1987.

Though original Wailers Peter Tosh and Bunny Livingston left the group in 1973, Carlton and Aston remained with Bob Marley and went on to record Natty Dread in 1974. Carlton has songwriting credits for two of Natty Dread's songs: "Talkin' Blues" and "Them Belly Full".

On 17 April 1987, just as Carlton arrived at his Kingston home and walked across his yard, a gunman stepped up behind him and shot him twice in the head. He was dead on arrival at a Kingston hospital at age 36.

Shortly after his murder, Carlton's wife, Albertine, her lover, a taxi driver named Glenroy Carter, and another man, Junior Neil, were arrested and charged with his killing. Albertine and Carter escaped the murder charge, and were instead convicted and sentenced to 7 years for conspiracy. After just one year in prison, they were released in December 1992 on a legal technicality...




Thanks for the original fact-finding Earl. I never knew those details until now. I (like so many people) had simply regarded Lennon's death as the ultimate "senseless act", like (deliberately) stepping on a flower. Because of that; I never had any motivation to actually focus on "the official story".

It sure starts to stink, once you do look at the details, doesn't it???

Because "the minstrels" of our society are not really/directly a part of the System; they have always tended to possess an element of objectivity, because of that detachment. As such; they REFLECT REALITY back to us with their lyrics.

However, in the Wonderland Matrix; it is of utmost importance to the Psychopaths that we have as little access to (and thus understanding of) reality as possible. If we think of the Minstrel as a "mirror"; what we seem to have here is a mirror being shattered -- because the reflection it produced shone too brightly.

11:45 AM
Dylan wrote:
I attempted an analogy in a thread a couple of years back called "The Trillion dollar coin toss."
It could be perhaps boiled down to this:

One tentacle borrows at low interest (newly created money from nothing) a trillion dollars.
Another tentacle borrows at low interest (newly created money from nothing) a trillion dollars.
The tentacles each put their money down on a bet over a toin coss.
The one tentacle bets tails the other tentacle bets heads.
The coin is in fact a double-headed coin.
This is important - the tails-betting tentacle knows the coin is double-headed. It is in on the rigged bet.
The head-betting tentacle pays off it`s loan and stashes the remaining trillion dollars on an island free from regulations, prying eyes and taxes.
The tails-betting tentacle turns to it`s cronies in government who create more money to pay off the loan. It has been operating all along under the assurance that this would happen. The government cronies are in on the rigged bet. They tell the public that these "debts" (which are in fact utterly fraudulent) of the tentacle have to be paid off or the sky will fall.
The public undergoes austerity fascism in order to "sterilise" the newly created trillion dollars which have in effect been handed to the ONE OCTOPUS.

So not only do they counterfeit money and hand it to themselves, they also extort money from the masses to sterilise this newly created money through convincing the sheep that they are on the losing side of a giant bet that in reality is a completely rigged bet that they have been forced to participate in.

They were never in any kind of trouble. It was simply a giant wealth de-distribution racket. What could these Plutocrats possibly want with more money to add to their infinite reserves?
That is looking at it the wrong way round. What they really want is to impoverish the sheep so that the vast wealth that they already have, has more pulling power. It`s to keep the feudal pyramid intact.



Yes Dylan, the important thing here is simply that people realize that this whole bail-out/bail-in game is nothing but a gigantic fraud/extortion scam. There never should have been a single dollar of "bail out" money (even if losses existed), because such welfare could never be justified under any circumstances.

Beyond that; there is not even any debate regarding "bail-ins". This is just flagrant stealing: trustees being ROBBED by the trust administrators -- with our Traitor Governments rubber-stamping the fraud with their veneer of legitimacy (since that's all the "legitimacy" our governments retain).

We already had an enormous motive to move our wealth out of the banksters' fraudulent paper instruments: the "inflation" they use to relentlessly, indirectly rob from us through currency dilution. But now we have this Crime Syndicate also stealing our paper DIRECTLY. That's two gigantic incentives to move our wealth out of paper and into gold and silver (metal).
11:34 AM
6 days ago
Two of the most-common themes in my writing are that the One Bank has a Master Trading Algorithm which it uses to control/manipulate all of the world's markets. AND that perhaps its most frequent (and serious) form of market-manipulation was the manipulation of global currencies (and currency markets).

So call me "the least surprised person in the world", as I look at the news this morning and see this headline:

Lawsky Said to Probe Barclays, Deutsche Bank FX Algorithm

...followed by this excerpt:

New York regulators have found evidence that Barclays Plc (BARC) and Deutsche Bank AG (DBK) may have used algorithms on their trading platforms to manipulate foreign-exchange rates, a person with knowledge of the investigation said.

I'll almost certainly have more to say about this later, but for now, readers can scan the details (and confirmation) of what has been said again and again here for themselves.

Yet another of the One Bank's mega-crimes starts to come out of the shadows. And if blind/deaf/dumb regulators finally begin to see the OBVIOUS manipulative potential of these algorithms (not to mention the evidence of what they do all around us), then the One Bank's days of "Pied Piper markets" may be coming to an end...






Lawsky Said to Probe Barclays, Deutsche Bank FX Algorithm

www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-10/ny-reg...5f2d282303c2f5580895

New York regulators have found evidence that Barclays Plc (BARC) and Deutsche Bank AG (DBK) may have used algorithms on their trading platforms to manipulate foreign-exchange rates, a person with knowledge of the investigation said.

The practice suggests there may be a systemic problem involving automated tools that goes beyond individuals colluding to rig currency benchmarks and take advantage of less sophisticated clients...
11:40 AM
1 week ago
Debsyl, as I was discussing recently (can't remember where?); these "circuit-breakers" have been popping up in markets all across the corrupt West. The only surprise here is that precious metals markets didn't get the first circuit-breaker.

What you have to understand is that with the One Bank's computer algorithm to manipulate all markets that TWO forms of enormous pressure are building up in these totally fraudulent/surreal "markets".

First of all there is the individual pressures of ALL the various stocks, bonds, commodities, and other forms of trading between the actual/legitimate VALUE of these things, and their fantasy-price in our so-called markets. In some markets (particularly precious metals) this distortion in valuation is already so extreme that they require a "circuit-breaker" for this reason alone.

But there is a second, even greater COLLECTIVE pressure building in these markets. This comes from the fact that the Master Trading Program moves all these markets, in LOCK-STEP, in essentially a brute-force manner.

It is TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE for markets to naturally move in such synchronicity, because the relative value between all these goods, commodities, and financial instruments is constantly changing. But the Master Trading Program practically never allows any adjustment of these relative values.

We now no longer have the slightest idea of the REAL value of gold in relation to wheat, or copper in relation to oil, or (fresh) water in relation to land. All of these prices have been completely perverted by the One Bank, thus the need for these (absurd) "circuit-breakers" -- yet another perversion of our supposed "free markets", yet another reason why they should NEVER have allowed these "trading algorithms" into our markets.

All that they do is exactly what the name suggests. They cause a market to INSTANTANEOUSLY shut-down, entirely, the moment that any price(s) moves beyond the "allowable range".

Here's the irony. As the Thieves and the Traitor Politicians install these limitations into our own markets, they have always (smugly) pointed to the "circuit-breakers" which (for example) China has in its own markets as reflecting the "immaturity" and "inferiority" of China's markets.

Guess they can't say that any more...



Where this is heading is that when things are just about to fall apart completely, we'll likely start to see these circuit-breakers (lol) being "triggered" on a near-daily basis, whereas now it's more like a monthly occurrence.
Dec 11
Thomas Aquinas wrote:
www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-12-09/europe...5-moodys-and-sp-warn

TA, while GoldCore produces a lot of good information/analysis in precious metals; I would suggest that he(?) is "out of his depths" here. He does little more than parrot propaganda, with some rather muted criticism about the UTTER lawlessness of what is currently taking place.

The "rankings" he compiled in his graphic on "bail-in risk" and "safer banks" are meaningless, since they are based upon the assessments of the lying banksters, themselves.

The U.S. is a low "bail-in risk"? Canada (the first nation to institutionalize "bail-ins" in our own laws) is supposedly NO RISK at all -- with respect to bail-ins??? Lol!!! And continuing to assign Canada's banks such a high "safety rating" AFTER 6 years of Harper & Carney totally destroying our financial system simply shows he has no personal knowledge of this economy.
Dec 11
Jeff Nielson replied to the topic Re: A Picture is worth a Thousand Words... in the forums.



"Note the head shape of the people"


[courtesy of Thomas Aquinas]

Dec 11
Jeff Nielson replied to the topic Re: A Pictorial of us, by our "Elite Masters" in the forums.
What's up today, TA? A little too much caffeine this morning...(lol)?? Good image/message though.

As soon as I looked at this post, I knew there was a better place for it on the Forum -- I just couldn't remember where (d'oh!). But after a quick check of our "sticky threads" in the Off Topic section, I found what I was looking for.



A Picture is worth a Thousand Words...
Dec 11
P.S. I can't talk about "demonizing" people and divide-and-conquer without mentioning a particularly despicable HATE CRIME in North America which is classified as not only "entertainment" but "humor".

What I'm referring to is the disgusting bigot/ventriloquist: Jeff Dunham. For people who have not watched/listened to his hate-crimes masquerading as comedy; one of Dunham's puppets is a stereotypical, "crazy" Arab (terrorist).

Of course (especially in the U.S.); we're bombarded with this offensive stereotype so often that Dunham wouldn't even merit mention for his own hate-crime on that basis alone. What makes Dunham's hate-crime particularly egregious is that the "Arab" puppet isn't HUMAN. It is some skeletal MONSTER.

I understand how brainwashed our societies are against Muslims in general, and Arabs, in particular. So let me EXPLAIN this hate-crime via substitution -- through using one of society's PROTECTED/FAVORED demographics. Imagine the MASSIVE, PUUBLIC OUTRAGE (and near-instantaneous censorship) which would occur if Dunham created a "crazy", non-human puppet and identified that puppet as "a feminist" or (worse) "a Jew".

Not only would Dunham's bigoted "entertainment" be instantly banned throughout North America (and the entire Western world); almost certainly he would face prosecution for his Hate Crime.

But when the Hate Crime is committed against "crazy" Arabs, in brainwashed North America; it's called "humor".

Dec 11
Jeff Nielson replied to the topic Re: Gary Allen quotes on socialism in the forums.
Pure gobbledy-gook. This is what inevitably happens any time any one talks about any ideology. I would look like just as much of an idiot if I started spouting this drivel.

None of these "ideologies" means anything. Or, put another way; they mean a DIFFERENT thing to EVERY person. Thus all of these ideology-based rants follow the same inane/idiotic pattern.

What is the first thing which this Ideologue does? He "defines" the ideology, in this case socialism. Is this the "objective definition" of socialism? NO. There is no objective definition, other than the vague, facile mantra of "share the wealth".

EVERYTHING else about this so-called ideology is customized by whatever talking-head is currently engaged in this pointless activity. How do other ideologues "reply" to this gobbledy-gook? They either agree with the definition, or create their own definition.

No communication takes place. No "meeting of minds" ever occurs (except between Ideologues belonging to the same Splinter). With EVERYONE outside of their Splinter; talking "ideology" only creates confusion, discord, and (finally/ultimately) WAR. Replying (directly) to any analysis of "socialism" (or "capitalism" or "communism") is no different (or more productive) than discussing the definition of a "Jabberwocky".

Like the Jabberwocky; no ideology has ever existed in the world in "pure" form" -- except the one ideology which actually exists in the real world: fascism.

Why is fascism the "exception that proves the rule"? Because fascism is nothing more than those on Top forming a Crime Syndicate to steal from everyone else. And "crime syndicate" is the only ideological construct which we all understand (and the only one which actually exists).
Dec 11
Lol TA!

More total surreality. Telling us every day (out of one side of their mouths) that not only is "everything under control", but "things are getting better" -- for the "economies", just not the people living in those economies.



Meanwhile, out of the other side of their mouths; they tell us about the "circuit-breakers" they have installed in all our markets -- so they don't spiral wildly out-of-control in less than a second. We have all of these Traitor Governments passing/creating "bail-in" provisions, to give them infinite/unlimited LICENSE TO STEAL, in a system they have supposedly "fixed".

Now it's "survival kits". Next we'll see/hear that each of these Nazi bureaucracies has their own "bunker"...

Dec 11
Jeff Nielson replied to the topic Re: Jeff Nielson, for Sprott Money: in the forums.
China’s Role In The Global (Paper) Silver Market

www.sprottmoney.com/news/chinas-role-in-...on-sprott-money-news

A recent interview with a precious metals commentator in the Alternative Media raised several interesting points. While a number of the points raised are/were worthy of discussion; the topic which will be the focus of this commentary are the remarks (and conclusions) which were presented there concerning China’s “role” (if any) in the utterly fraudulent, global paper-silver market...
Dec 10
Jeff Nielson replied to the topic Re: The Daily Grind in the forums.
It's December 10th, and I haven't talked about bullion "markets" for a while (since they stopped being even quasi-legitimate markets several years ago). And while I'm not thinking about restarting The "Daily" Grind; this seems as good a place as any to write this "update".

Just a couple of points I want to cover. First of all; we have seen bullion prices bounce higher with more vigor recently than we have seen since we entered the era of full Hostage Markets. Obviously the current price levels are nothing to be pleased about ($1230/oz USD for gold, and just over $17/oz USD for silver). Pretty dismal, given that the USD hasn't had any value at all for at least 4 years -- and gold and silver are (as we know) real "money", with real value.

But the flip-side to absurdly suppressed/manipulated prices for bullion is explosive demand. While most of the "explosion" (and thus interesting data) originates in the East; occasionally we see glimpses of this in the West, as well. The obvious example are the "final" sales figures for the U.S. Mint for 2014, since it has finished supplying its dealer network for this year.

We see another new record for total sales of U.S. minted silver coins: over 43 million sold this year, edging the previous record set last year. But to put this in real perspective, I want to look back several years -- to 2008 (the "crash" year).

That was the first year of "record" sales of minted silver coins where the precious metals community first began focusing on this aspect of bullion demand. In that year of "record sales" the total quantity of coins sold was well below 30 million. This was despite the fact that (at the bottom) investors were able to buy their silver coins with a spot-price below $10/oz.

Flash ahead six years, to the latest year of "record sales" of minted silver coins and we see total sales (in ounces) has increased by roughly 50% since 2008 -- even though (in 2014) investors had to spend nearly DOUBLE the (nominal) price to purchase their coins. This means that (in 2014) investors are spending nearly THREE TIMES as many paper dollars buying silver this year -- as they did in the "panic" of 2008.

There are (at least) two conclusions which are suggested by this data. First and foremost; this is a testament to how much VALUE the U.S. dollar has lost over those past 6 years. There is not much reason to believe that the investing community is any smarter (in general) today than they were 6 years ago. Yet they are willing to spend three times as many dollars -- just to purchase 50% more coins (ounces).

The other conclusion suggested by these numbers is that the knowledgeable investors (who comprise the bulk of this silver-coin buying) see our (mostly) INVISIBLE economic crisis of today -- camouflaged with mountains of ridiculous propaganda -- as being far more worrisome than the Crash of '08.

I can still personally remember the sense of feeling "shell-shocked" back then, as markets crashed (rapidly) all around us. So what does it say as a general commentary on the economic management of our Traitor Leaders that the same people who were "spooked" (and responded intelligently) back in 2008 are, apparently, much more worried today?

Between "greater fear" and "debauched currencies"; we have the bulk of our explanation for the tripling in silver-coin buying (measured in dollars) since 2008.

As for the gold market; 2014 sales of minted coins were actually below last year's totals. But we need to attach an "asterisk" to this piece of information. What can't be forgotten was that 2013 was the year of the Cyprus Steal (the birth of the odious "bail-in") -- which sparked the massive exodus out of the utterly fraudulent paper-called-gold market.

As I reported (several times) during that scenario; much of the (physical) gold-buying of that year was the Smart Money dumping their paper-called-gold -- and moving their wealth into real, physical bullion. Obviously much of those Smart Money dollars would have gone into the purchase of Gold Eagles.

Thus this explains the 2013 explosion of minted gold coin sales. There was no exodus out of the paper-called-silver market in 2013. As readers will recall; this led me to the simple conclusion that (by 2013) there was already no "smart" money left in this utterly obvious fraud.

So it's no surprise that there was a significant drop-off in sales of minted gold coins this year. Expressed in ounces of gold; investors bought roughly 60% more coins in 2013 than this year -- even though they paid (on average) at least 10% more for those coins this year. But note how significant the buying of gold coins remains, even after this drop-off.

There were 43 million silver coins sold this year, and roughly 1.1 million gold coins -- about a 40:1 ratio. However, the price ratio between silver and gold this year has averaged over 60:1 (well over). This means that in terms of dollars; investors spent roughly 1/3 more buying gold coins than silver coins.

So let summarize here; since I've thrown around a lot of numbers. Any way we look at it; 2014 demand for minted silver coins can be considered nothing less than "rabid". And the buying of gold coins this year was roughly 1/3 more rabid.



In overall terms; this is nothing but a vivid indication of the collapse in confidence in our current system (within the sliver of our Zombie societies who understand what is happening). The final point to make here is that though this is U.S. sales we're discussing (and minted coin sales in Canada are also very strong); this does not mean that all the buyers (or even most of them) are North Americans.

It would not be surprising (at all) if a considerable amount of this coin-buying originated in Asia (or perhaps Russia). It is also a distinct possibility that a significant chunk of this buying could be clandestine purchases by Eastern GOVERNMENTS.

Remember that these minted gold/silver coins are LEGAL TENDER CURRENCY, official (real/legitimate) money, in bankrupt societies where the existing paper currency MUST collapse to near-zero, and in the not-too-distant future. Obviously having "foreign currency" reserves of metallic, real money is far superior to governments than having "reserves" of soon-to-be-worthless paper.

Thus the bottom-line is that we know the Buyers in this market are much more "motivated shoppers" in 2014 than they were in 2008. What we don't know (with any degree of certainty) is who those buyers really are...




U.S. Mint Sets New Record, Selling 43 Million Silver Coins In 2014

www.kitco.com/news/2014-12-10/US-Mint-Se...r-Coins-In-2014.html

The U.S. Mint has set a new sales record for the year for its American Eagle silver bullion coins.

The sales record, which was set in 2013, was broken on Monday as the Mint announced that it had sold 495,500 coins during the day. However, the Mint updates its monthly sales daily; since Monday, sales have remained strong and as of Tuesday the U.S. Mint had sold 43.051 million silver coins, handily beating last year’s record of 42.675 million coins...



U.S. Mint 2008 annual report

www.usmint.gov/downloads/about/annual_re...2008AnnualReport.pdf
Dec 10
Jeff Nielson replied to the topic Re: Musical musings... in the forums.
Earl wrote:
John Lennon; (9 October 1940 – 8 December 1980)


Lennon revealed a rebellious nature and acerbic wit in his music, writing, drawings, on film and in interviews. Controversial through his political and peace activism, he moved to Manhattan in 1971, where his criticism of the Vietnam War resulted in a lengthy attempt by Richard Nixon's administration to deport him, while some of his songs were adopted as anthems by the anti-war movement and the larger counterculture.







Thanks Earl.

Naturally this begs the question: was the One Bank behind this death, as well...?
Dec 09
Jeff Nielson created a new topic U.S. "torture report" to be made public??? in the forums.
We're told by the Corporate media that a "CIA torture report" is about to be released by the U.S. Senate, over the objections of Republican Nazis and the war-criminals of the former Bush regime. We're told that the report discloses:

...extreme interrogation methods at secret prisons more often than legally authorized and failed to disclose all the activities to lawmakers and other officials.

And we're told that Barack the Betrayer, himself, is in favor of the release of this report. Putting this all together; we have yet another gigantic disconnect between what the Corporate media is saying, and our OWN EXPERIENCE with these Fascists over the past 15 years or so.

Will the CIA torture report ever be released, or will this just be another example of the Corporate media telling us that one of our corrupt governments is about to do the Right Thing -- only to come up with a last-minute excuse about why they can't do it?

And if the torture report ever makes it to a public release, will it have any resemblance to truth/reality, or will it just be another thick coat of propaganda-whitewash -- "explaining" and "justifying" the serial war crimes and crimes-against-humanity of the U.S. government and puppet-soldiers?

The Corporate media tells us that "President Barack Obama supports making the conclusions public." But Barack Obama is nothing but a banker-serving PUPPET, who possesses neither a shred of morality or human decency. Thus is Obama "favors" releasing the report, there would seem to be only two possible ways for this scenario to play out.

The Script (written by the One Bank) already includes a last-minute "excuse" why the torture report either cannot be released, or has to be "redacted" (i.e. censored) to the point where nothing of significance remains. And the second possibility (as previously suggested) is that we'll just get a steaming mound of bullshit about "honest errors of judgment" and "the fog of war" and any/every excuse which War Criminals use to "justify" their crimes against humanity.

I would really like to be wrong here, and see a blunt, damning report emerge -- which reveals to the world the atrocities committed by the U.S. military. Such a report (and such language) would likely even wake-up some of the Zombies. And it is precisely for that reason that I will be positively flabbergasted if any report of substance ever emerges here...




CIA Torture Report Set for Senate Release Over Bush Objections

www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-09/cia-to...bush-objections.html

The Democrats on the Senate intelligence committee are preparing to issue their report on the harsh interrogation tactics the CIA used on terrorism suspects, defying the objections of current and former U.S. officials including former President George W. Bush.

The panel plans to release today a summary of a 6,200-page report concluding that the Central Intelligence Agency used extreme interrogation methods at secret prisons more often than legally authorized and failed to disclose all the activities to lawmakers and other officials...
Dec 09
It is impossible to be more disappointed/disgusted with the "performance" (i.e. betrayal) of any other one of these Traitors politicians more than Barack "Uncle Tom" Obama. No one, has promised more -- and then not merely broken the promises, but did the exact opposite of what he promised.

He promised to "clean up" the ultra-corrupt banking/financial sector. Instead, he SERVES the Old World Order even more loyally than Junior did, before him.

He promised real, "universal" public health care. Instead, he delivered an even more-corrupt form of PRIVATE, FOR-PROFIT health care. The only difference is that now the government (i.e. taxpayers) kicks in MORE vampire-dollars into the hoards of the Health Insurance oligarchs (another tentacle of the One Bank).

He promised to be the Peacemaker, in comparison to Bush the Warmonger. Instead, he has led us directly to the brink of World War III. And the Nobel Prize committee permanently soiled itself beyond redemption when they handed this traitor-warmonger a Nobel "peace prize". It would be like giving Jamie Dimon an award for "honesty".

He promised to (immediately) "close Guantanamo Bay". Yet six years after his election; not only does this gulag still torture/incarcerate 136 Victims, but the U.S. government now (publicly) acknowledges that there was NEVER any reason to arrest more than 80% of those still incarcerated.

Let me rephrase this so that people understand the enormity of this crime against humanity. Presumably; the 136 detainees remaining represent the "worst of the worst" when it comes to supposedly being "terrorists". And yet the U.S. government now admits that "less than two dozen are deemed dangerous terrorist leaders".

Translating that quote (since we never get 100% truth); the U.S. government admits that it only has evidence of ANY "terrorist activities" with respect to less than two dozen "detainees". What about the hundreds of "detainees" (Victims) already released? Did it ever have any evidence of any "terrorism" against any of them???

More to the point; even if the "War on Terror" was real (rather than nothing but lies and false-flag events), could the U.S. government really justify creating this gulag, when (by its own admission) less than two dozen (supposed) "terrorists" should have ever been housed in this torture facility?

Note the propaganda B.S. (produced by Republicans) to "justify" this gulag:

In 2012, Republicans on the House Armed Services Committee released a report saying about 27 percent of 600 detainees released from Guantanamo have been confirmed or suspected of returning to terrorist or insurgent activities. Democrats on the panel dismissed the report as “smoke and mirrors.”

A lie so pathetic (and bereft of evidence) that even the corrupt Democrats laughed at the absurdity of it.



Oops...almost forgot to mention one more broken Obama promise. The ONE WORD he used (so successfully) to originally get himself elected. He promised "CHANGE". Instead we got another example of what Pete Townsend warned us about:

Meet the New Boss;
Same as the Old Boss.


One has to suspect that if Townsend had written Won't Get Fooled Again today, that he would have dedicated that song to Barack the Betrayer.



Sadly, as I noted in a recent commentary; the Zombies of our own societies ALWAYS get fooled again...

The United States: Police State Today, Martial Law Tomorrow; Part I
The United States: Police State Today, Martial Law Tomorrow; Part II


Guantanamo Move Leaves Harder Cases Remaining Amid Criticism

www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-07/guanta...-amid-criticism.html

The release of six prisoners from the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, this past weekend was the largest transfer out of the offshore jail in five years.

It was also a signal that President Barack Obama is still working to fulfill a campaign promise to close the prison almost six years after he took office. Whether he can find placements for the 136 detainees left remains an open question.

Fewer than two dozen of those remaining are deemed dangerous terrorist leaders, analysts say, but those hardened few pose the toughest challenge to shuttering the prison...
Dec 08
Jeff Nielson replied to the topic Re: Musical musings... in the forums.
Thanks for the post, Debsyl!

Yes, "tis the season", perhaps more this year than ever. Personally, I would have liked to see a little more "Merry Christmas" in the selection, and a little less "Hallelujahs" -- but to each his (her) own...

Dec 08
Jeff Nielson replied to the topic Re: Musical musings... in the forums.
Earl, I think Gordon Lightfoot has officially been declared "a national Treasure" (lol). There may not be a better story-teller in the world of music. Canada's "Donovan", perhaps?

Try these two...












Canadian Railroad Trilogy Lyrics

There was a time in this fair land when the railroad did not run
When the wild majestic mountains stood alone against the sun
Long before the white man and long before the wheel
When the green dark forest was too silent to be real

But time has no beginnings and hist'ry has no bounds
As to this verdant country they came from all around
They sailed upon her waterways and they walked the forests tall
And they built the mines the mills and the factories for the good of us
All

And when the young man's fancy was turnin' to the spring
The railroad men grew restless for to hear the hammers ring
Their minds were overflowing with the visions of their day
And many a fortune lost and won and many a debt to pay

For they looked in the future and what did they see
They saw an iron road runnin' from sea to the sea
Bringin' the goods to a young growin' land
All up through the seaports and into their hands

Look away said they across this mighty land
>From the eastern shore to the western strand
Bring in the workers and bring up the rails
We gotta lay down the tracks and tear up the trails
Open 'er heart let the life blood flow
Gotta get on our way 'cause we're movin' too slow

Bring in the workers and bring up the rails
We're gonna lay down the tracks and tear up the trails
Open 'er heart let the life blood flow
Gotta get on our way 'cause we're movin' too slow
Get on our way 'cause we're movin' too slow

Behind the blue Rockies the sun is declinin'
The stars, they come stealin' at the close of the day
Across the wide prairie our loved ones lie sleeping
Beyond the dark oceans in a place far away

We are the navvies who work upon the railway
Swingin' our hammers in the bright blazin' sun
Livin' on stew and drinkin' bad whiskey
Bendin' our old backs 'til the long days are done

We are the navvies who work upon the railway
Swingin' our hammers in the bright blazin' sun
Layin' down track and buildin' the bridges
Bendin' our old backs 'til the railroad is done

So over the mountains and over the plains
Into the muskeg and into the rain
Up the St. Lawrence all the way to Gaspe
Swingin' our hammers and drawin' our pay
Drivin' 'em in and tyin' 'em down
Away to the bunkhouse and into the town
A dollar a day and a place for my head
A drink to the livin' and a toast to the dead

Oh the song of the future has been sung
All the battles have been won
O'er the mountain tops we stand
All the world at our command
We have opened up the soil
With our teardrops and our toil

For there was a time in this fair land when the railroad did not run
When the wild majestic mountains stood alone against the sun
Long before the white man and long before the wheel
When the green dark forest was too silent to be real
When the green dark forest was too silent to be real
And many are the dead men too silent to be real



The Wreck Of The Edmund Fitzgerald

www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/gordonlightfoot/...dmundfitzgerald.html

The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down
Of the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
The lake, it is said, never gives up her dead
When the skies of November turn gloomy
With a load of iron ore twenty-six thousand tons more
Than the Edmund Fitzgerald weighed empty
That good ship and true was a bone to be chewed
When the gales of November came early

The ship was the pride of the American side
Coming back from some mill in Wisconsin
As the big freighters go, it was bigger than most
With a crew and good captain well seasoned
Concluding some terms with a couple of steel firms
When they left fully loaded for Cleveland
Then later that night when the ship's bell rang
Could it be the north wind they'd been feelin'?

The wind in the wires made a tattle-tale sound
When the wave broke over the railing
And every man knew, as the captain did too
'Twas the witch of November come stealin'
The dawn came late and the breakfast had to wait
When the gales of November came slashin'
When afternoon came it was freezing rain
In the face of a hurricane west wind

When suppertime came, the old cook came on deck
Sayin' "Fellas, it's too rough to feed ya"
At seven PM a main hatchway caved in
He said, "Fellas, it's been good to know ya"
The captain wired in he had water comin' in
And the good ship and crew was in peril
And later that night when his lights went out of sight
Came the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald

Does anyone know where the love of God goes
When the waves turn the minutes to hours?
The searchers all say they'd have made Whitefish Bay
If they'd put fifteen more miles behind her
They might have split up or they might have capsized
They may have broke deep and took water
And all that remains is the faces and the names
Of the wives and the sons and the daughters

Lake Huron rolls, Superior sings
In the rooms of her ice-water mansion
Old Michigan steams like a young man's dreams
The islands and bays are for sportsmen
And farther below, Lake Ontario
Takes in what Lake Erie can send her
And the iron boats go as the mariners all know
With the gales of November remembered

In a musty old hall in Detroit they prayed
In the Maritime Sailors' Cathedral
The church bell chimed 'til it rang twenty-nine times
For each man on the Edmund Fitzgerald
The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down
Of the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
Superior, they said, never gives up her dead
When the gales of November come early
Dec 07

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2011-08-29 11:38:06
saw this on the Cafe, again, great work Jeff

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