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Earl replied to the topic Re: The original corporate raiders in the forums.
To the Community,

This is really a fascinating thread. Deep history. Great research, as Dylan always presents.

I had to go to the company site. Knowing what we know, it made it all an interesting adventure. "Spices" and the current thread

I gotta take a company line here-

They were explorers, traders, innovators. They took risks, they broke new ground and they sometimes got it wrong.

They were pioneering; creating many of the means and rules of commerce we use today.

I could write a better line-

At the East India Company, We just- Innovate, Decimate, Desecrate.

"Thank You", Dylan for a fascinating thread-


The East India Company


Since its creation in 1600 by The Royal Charter granted by Queen Elizabeth I, the influence of The East India Company has been well documented. Without The Company our world would not be as it is today.

It changed the world’s tastes, its thinking, and its people. It created new communities, trading places, cities and shaped countries and commercial routes.

Singapore and Hong Kong were established by The Company and India was shaped and influenced by it. At one point The Company had the largest merchant navy in the world and conducted and controlled 50% of world trade.

With statistics like that it’s easy to forget that at its heart, were real people.

Our heritage is in the spirit of those pioneers. The East India Company’s employees did not set out to change the world. They were people who set sail to establish trade routes, to discover and bring back new goods, and in doing so broke down the barriers of the world.

They were explorers, traders, innovators. They took risks, they broke new ground and they sometimes got it wrong.

They were pioneering; creating many of the means and rules of commerce we use today.

They were individuals, living by the rules of their times – determined, entrepreneurial and human – who were driven by their passion and enthusiasm; the same qualities that drive our team today.

The Company Today

When you hear our name you will probably already have a sense of who we are. You may think of the exotic; of distant shores and bustling ports. Perhaps you see explorers, adventurers, pioneers, or swashbucklers. You may smell delicate spices, feel the gentle folds of calicos and silks, or sense the diversity of colourful cargoes. That’s the beauty of our brand.

Deep within the world’s sub-consciousness is an awareness of The East India Company, a powerful picture of who we are. You’ll feel something for us, you’ll have a connection to us, even if you don’t know us. This gives us a unique opportunity. We don’t have to tell most people we exist, nor tell them what to think and feel – with it comes a responsibility – to live up to our reputation as pioneers, to bring extraordinary goods from around the world to our discerning customers, and to do it fairly, ethically and honourably.

Did You Know?


Cricket was first played in India in 1721 by the officers and men of an English ship. The game became popular in all the Company’s Presidencies and the Calcutta Cricket Club was founded in 1792.


paunch punch drink east india companyPunch was a favourite with the Company’s employees in India. The word is from the Hindustani “Panch” meaning five. This refers to the five ingredients then used in the drink, namely tea, arrack, sugar, lemons and water.


The Company created England’s first ‘tea lady’. A Mr & Mrs Harris were appointed to look after the Company’s HQ in 1661. Mrs Harris took charge of brewing tea for committee meetings. The custom of tea breaks was born!

modern east india company flagThe flag of The East India Company, which initially consisted of a St Georges Cross and later a Union Flag and stripes. The East India Company flag is reputed to be the inspiration for the Stars and Stripes and the state flag of Hawaii.


During the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries piracy was rampant in the Indian Ocean and South China Sea. The East India Company hired Captain Kidd to help combat the problem as a “Private Man” and he was given a commission to command a “private man of war” as follows:
captain kidd east india company“Now know ye, that we being desirous to prevent the aforesaid mischiefs, and as much as in us lies, to bring the said pirates, freebooters and sea-rovers to justice, have thought fit, and do hereby give and grant to the said Robert Kidd, to whom our commissioners for exercising the office of Lord High Admiral of England, have granted a commission as a private man-of-war, bearing date the 11th day of December, 1695,)”

Kidd soon recognised that he could make more as a pirate himself and did not confine himself to attacking only pirate ships and competitive foreign vessels. As the legendary Captain Kidd he sailed the high seas, terrorising and looting legitimate traders, as The Crown saw it. Kidd was hanged for piracy and murder in London on May 23, 1701. The sometimes ambiguous nature of “private mans” role is summed up by this quotation: “It was William Kidd’s misfortune to sail the seas as a privateer just when the rules changed and the privateer became an outlaw…”


The word factory originally meant an East India Company trading station. Each consisted of an office, warehouses and living accommodation, rather than a manufacturing facility. The word factory comes from factor. A factor was a Company buyer/seller. Staff were promoted by grades: writer, factor, junior and senior merchant. Usually spending three years at lower levels before moving up the ranks.
04:52 PM
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Earl replied to the topic Re: "Invest in Food" in the forums.
H.J. Heinz Buying Kraft in Deal to Create Food Giant

NEW YORK — Some of the most familiar names in ketchup, pickles, cheese and hot dogs are set to come under the same roof after H.J. Heinz Co. announced plans Wednesday to buy Kraft and create one of the world's largest food and beverage companies.

The deal would bring together an array of longtime staples in American kitchens, including Oscar Mayer lunchmeats, Jell-O desserts, Miracle Whip spreads, Ore-Ida potatoes and Smart Ones diet foods.

The combination of the two companies — each more than a century old — was engineered by Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway and Brazilian investment firm 3G Capital, which teamed up just two years ago to buy Heinz. While shoppers are not expected to see any major changes, the creation of The Kraft Heinz Co. reflects the pressures facing some of the biggest packaged food makers in the U.S.

As consumers increasingly migrate away from popular packaged foods in favor of options they consider less processed, companies including Campbell Soup, General Mills and Kellogg have been slashing costs or striking deals to update their products offerings. The Heinz-Kraft deal is in many ways just the latest example of that, although Buffett noted that the two companies still have a strong base of customers.

"I think the tastes Kraft and Heinz appeal to are pretty enduring," he said in a telephone call to the business news channel CNBC.

Still, the early plans outlined by Kraft and Heinz executives in a conference call Wednesday focused largely on the savings that would be achieved through the deal, rather than the potential for sales growth in North America. They said they expect to save $1.5 billion through moves such as combining manufacturing and distribution networks.

James Angel, an associate professor of finance at Georgetown University's McDonough School of Business, said that will probably result in job losses.

"Even though it is painful for the people involved, those resources will be freed up for other, potentially more productive, uses," he said.

The boards of both companies unanimously approved the deal, which still needs a nod from federal regulators and shareholders of Kraft Foods Group Inc. The companies say they expect the deal to close in the second half of the year.

If the agreement goes through, Kraft is expected to undergo cost-cutting under the management of 3G Capital, which is known for running tight ships.

The president of the United Food and Commercial Workers International Union, which says it represents 3,250 Kraft and Heinz workers in North America, said the union will work with the companies to make sure they "do what is right and responsible" and don't let cost-cutting measures hurt workers.

John Cahill, who took over as CEO of Kraft late last year, noted that the new management would drive a "much leaner organization," as was the case when 3G took over Heinz. He said 3G can "make this happen deeper and faster."

"What we have not been thrilled about is some of our execution," Cahill said.

The two companies also see potential in pushing their products more aggressively overseas. Since splitting from Mondelez in 2012, Kraft's business has been primarily concentrated in North America. But executives noted that Kraft's brands are well known in major markets around the world, including the United Kingdom, Mexico, China and Brazil.
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Already, Heinz gets 61 percent of sales from outside North America, said Bernardo Hees, the CEO of Heinz and a partner at 3G Capital who will become head of the newly created company.

The deal came together rapidly, Buffett said, having been in the works for only about four weeks. The new company will be co-headquartered in Pittsburgh, where Heinz is based, and the Chicago area, home of Kraft, and will have annual revenue of about $28 billion.

Eight of its brands have annual sales of $1 billion or more and five others log sales between $500 million and $1 billon every year.

Shares of Kraft jumped 36 percent Wednesday to close at $83.17.

The total value of the deal is difficult to gauge because Heinz is privately held. But Kraft shareholders will receive stock in the combined company and a special cash dividend of approximately $10 billion, or $16.50 per share. Each share of Kraft will be converted into one share of Kraft Heinz.

Current Heinz shareholders will own 51 percent of the combined company, with Kraft shareholders owning a 49 percent stake.

The Kraft Heinz board will include six directors from the current Heinz board. Those six directors will include three members from Berkshire Hathaway and three members from 3G Capital. The current Kraft board will appoint five directors to the combined company's board.

Kraft Heinz plans to keep Kraft's current dividend once the transaction closes. Kraft has no plans to change its dividend before the deal is complete.
04:20 PM
4 days ago
Thomas Aquinas stated-

Dear Jeff,

As to your comment on the "One Bank", it is worth noting the insights of Christian Rokovsky (points 1-3);

It's a great disappointment that, knowing me as you do, you would consider my effort a bait and switch; it was simply an organic development of the thread. For as St Thomas identifies, all things must take reference to the first cause ie. God. Anyone who fails to do so, is working part-blind and to deny it is foolishness of the highest degree.

The reason for the hostility from Earl, is that especially in our time, though recognising His existence;

Job 36:25
"All men see him, every one beholdeth afar off."

most do not want to submit to God's authority and accountability, so they fight any who speaks of Him. And it is because of this pride, such an organisation as the "One Bank" exists, because it is a punishment to a rebellious mankind. Yet, this is nothing compared to the punishment that will be coming in the next years! Hence the wager was that you be fore-warned!

Overall, whatever mask may be put on it, it is clear that, shamefully, the person of God is not especially welcome on this site. Therefore, thanking you Jeff for all your work and exchanges, I will take my leave. Both of you gentlemen are instructed;

verses 13-15

Thomas Aquinas,

Funny, you left and viewership went from- Two thousand to three hundred on the BBC.

You're the worse kind, you actually believe in your employer's.

Your own concluding statement- "Both of you gentlemen are instructed;"

Nice words from a "Catholic".

Your a troll Thomas Aquinas.

JOB-"Though wickedness be sweet in his mouth, though he hide it under his tongue."

"Both of you gentlemen are instructed;"

That's a threat Thomas, not a promise. We kinda get offended bye them kinda words in my parts.

Does Jeff really piss off your employer's that much ?

Or, do you actually believe in the crime you commit ??

Enlighten me, Thomas Aquinas.

Enlighten, since we are on some hit list.

"Both of you gentlemen are instructed;"

Well Fuck....

Earl Fubar
07:37 PM
5 days ago
Thomas Aquinas,

Personally. I've never trusted your motives from day one.

The bull shit you spew and support, has historically done nothing but cause war.

I'm going to be kind, there's other site's to save souls.

A topic title- "Idling' motorists in Westminster to face £20 fine".
Simply "bait and switch", to lead some other agenda.

Your a troll Thomas Aquinas.

The BBC is in it's final months and days. Do not distract, from a more important message. With your banter...

I'm using the patience of JOB here Thomas Aquinas.

The site is Bullion Bulls Canada, not the Vatican or the Pope or some Rothschild.

We're "Truth" seekers.

Thank You,

Earl Fubar

PS- I'm not hard to find.
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Hmm... I'm thinking of making a link to this comme .....
2013-09-09 12:04:11
Fivish years ago, when I started paying attention .....
2013-09-08 13:12:44
Long time no talk for me. I beg to differ, Jeff - .....
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[quote]In other words the Western model of represe .....
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Wow... This definitely speaks volumes.:o

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